Scouting other teams is done everywhere, using a drone is hi tech cutting edge scouting. Having said that, rules are rules and in the final analysis I doubt it is any more useful than old school game film analysis, so let’s not use it again. Don’t punish the players for coaching mistakes!
The margins in world Futbol are so thin that any unfair advantage can make the difference.
Hate this for the players, but it definitely puts their success into question. We all wondered how CanMNT magically managed to become a legitimately good team in just a couple years. This makes sense.
There will be a lot of people, including the two of you, who will be responsible for the mental health of these players. Pretty disgusted with you too.
I agree with the hosts. I think they are correct. But I do think we should not base what we think the quality of the Canadian teams are on this. Bielsa is a famous example of spying on other teams and admitting it later. I’m not sure that he or his teams got punished for that. And what is Fair in sports? If one team can out-spend another team by 100 to one or more is that fair? What about drug enhancing performances? I’m not saying yay or nay to this, but should athletes that use marijuana be disqualified from competing as they have been in the past? Are steroids wrong? I’m not arguing for against any of these things. I’m just raising the question. I think fairness doesn’t really come into it. Not in a world where the best teams are the richest teams. maybe poor teams like Canada should be given the advantage of drones or a handicap or something, if we want to make things fair.
The Canadian teams should of been sent home.But this debacle exposes the corruption with Canada Soccer.I even heard that they also used a drone in the Copa America playoff against Trinidad&Tobago.And in Copa America as well.
As a Canadian, this one hurts… a lot. I am disgusted to find out that our coaches were engaging in this conduct, and in a systematic way. With that said, we didn't become the team we did (in both men's and women's) simply by drone spying. We built these teams from the ground up and have been blessed to have some generational talent come through. Drones didn't teach Alphonso how to run, or Sinclair how to score a clutch goal. If you think our performance these days is strictly down to drone footage, then you're just a terrible analyst.
Hopefully, we can get past this and continue to build our programs. I feel gutted for the players on our Women's team right now who feel like they have the weight of the world on their shoulders. They have persevered and our really giving a gutsy performance right now!
It seemed a little bit bizarre that a National Team with I thought is somewhat an unknown Coach, that they knew the game during the match enough but didn't come with a result not against Morocco nor Croatia nor Belgium.
So, if I add the FACTOR that they spied on their opponents, then it makes more sense.
But, lets not say too much and wait for the Canadian Media to lead the way.
How can it be Not cheating while using a Drone to spy on the opponent's training session? If you allow all Teams to spy as well with a drone, then everybody has an equal opportunity.
As long as the IOC says not to use Drones to spy, then that's cheating, unless the other team does the same.
like Herc hasnt intentionally flown a drone over Seba's backyard to see what kind of riches his co host has, or to see if there was a party to which Herc wasnt invited.
Wow, seems like there needs to be a thorough investigation needs to be done asap. Stories and blame game doesn’t add up. Canada, as an America in disappointed – you are better than that and always had the talent and grit. This isn’t strategic coaching, this is clearly disrespect to your opponent, the game and your country. Earn your W’s now and all involved should be fired including higher ups in federation. 👎👎👎
NZ should appeal, there’s no way of knowing that the tactics Canada saw were used against them in that win. They should have been given the three points.
Most of what you gentleman spoke on is coming sense ….. Agreed …….watching your competition is normal. during warmups up ….spying is shady… When it comes to calling Tyler Adams intelligent and smart enough…. Stop that cap…. Dude sucks along with all these fake golden generation club kids that have been hyped for years……. The Olympic squad is better … One x
Again….least egregious thing to come out of Football….isn't there an entire Netflix documentary on the STILL rampant corruption in FIFA?!??! Canada is just a scapegoat so they can feel better about themselves at the end of the day.
Great show. How could these Canadian coaches do this to there country and to all the players they coach through the years. Both coaches knew they were cheating and the truth will come out. I’m a father with two daughter and help them learn the beautiful game. The Canadian tarnish the game. The Canadian organization needs to be over hauled and give back the medals to the 2nd, 3rd,4th place winners from prior tournaments. Canada needs to man up.
This is similar to Jim Harbaugh's scouting scandal/cheating at the University of Michigan except in that case the team was allowed to play in the national championship game.
we actually love this because Now we have more to prove going forward. That it was our talent not the media narrative that we can bang with the best of them. We need this fuel leading into 2026. Thank you.
As a Canadian, I can tell you that everyone that I know is totally embarrassed by this. This seems totally un-Canadian to most of us.
I feel badly for the players; but I do think that punishment is warranted.
Having said that & knowing how corrupt FIFA management has been, it's kind of rich & ironic that they would be the ones to dole out any kind of punishment.
I do think that if CONCACAF & FIFA are going to be investigating Canada through our history, which I do agree with, then they are obliged to also investigate Tyler Adams & Herc Gomez's statements & look into how prevalent this kind of cheating has been in all of soccer all along. Quite frankly, I don't see any difference in sending drones to watch practices, versus sending people incognito to spy on other team's practices. It is just a more modern version of the same form of cheating.
By the way, Canada has recently replaced board members & has a new CEO, Kevin Blue, who comes from the golf world & he most likely would not condone this behaviour st all.
I know you Americans are pretty excited about this, but must I remind you that the NE Patriots plunged themselves into deflate-gate and were never punished by taking away their SB win that same year. And there's the Houston Astros garbage-can signal scandal that helped them win the World Series. They still have that title and the techician that set up the monitor in their dugout received a whopping $450,000 dollars for his dedication to the scam, and his salary was only $45,000. STUFF THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT BOYS
The difference between Canada and the USA is that when the USA cheats, those behind the scam are given bonuses. It's really delusional to attack a minor incident of drones, which was wrong no doubt, and forget that sports is riddled with bribery and corruption. You're crying foul and somehow have forgotten that FIFA is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet, and some of them WENT TO JAIL. Next time put this in perspective just a little better and don't look at it with laser-like delusions that this is the worst thing since Mount St Helene.
First time Herc agrees with Alexi. Pundits only people with hurt feelings over this. All this hyperbole about the past …who cares, They cheated. some heads roll and some penalties. Maybe they should be sent home. but to make it some giant thing when teams been sneaking views of practice forever is blowing it out of proportion. Hope they try to suspend Heardman and toronto fc says f off
If im peter argurso and kevin blue there needs to be a full investigation to the board as well if the want to build better relationships with communities
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Gonna love the mestizo tears when Columbia gets sent home after losing to Canada. Lmaoooo. Can’t even advance when you are spotted six points.
Canadian Managers and Federation = cheaters
Time to charge the federation and those in charge, not the players
good grief … now do manchester city 🙁
Herculez-hi-this is incredible drone!till next time,
Scouting other teams is done everywhere, using a drone is hi tech cutting edge scouting. Having said that, rules are rules and in the final analysis I doubt it is any more useful than old school game film analysis, so let’s not use it again. Don’t punish the players for coaching mistakes!
I am so Canadone.
Why don't they get one of those guns that zap the drones?
Good riddance! Love Canada's men national team players but I've never meant a more entitled and delusional fanbase. Karma is real!
The margins in world Futbol are so thin that any unfair advantage can make the difference.
Hate this for the players, but it definitely puts their success into question. We all wondered how CanMNT magically managed to become a legitimately good team in just a couple years. This makes sense.
VICTOR MONTAGLIANI and NICK BONTIS!!!
There will be a lot of people, including the two of you, who will be responsible for the mental health of these players. Pretty disgusted with you too.
Wow, some bullying shade on Tyler there, guys? What are you trying to avoid coming out?
I agree with the hosts. I think they are correct. But I do think we should not base what we think the quality of the Canadian teams are on this. Bielsa is a famous example of spying on other teams and admitting it later. I’m not sure that he or his teams got punished for that. And what is Fair in sports? If one team can out-spend another team by 100 to one or more is that fair? What about drug enhancing performances? I’m not saying yay or nay to this, but should athletes that use marijuana be disqualified from competing as they have been in the past? Are steroids wrong? I’m not arguing for against any of these things. I’m just raising the question. I think fairness doesn’t really come into it. Not in a world where the best teams are the richest teams. maybe poor teams like Canada should be given the advantage of drones or a handicap or something, if we want to make things fair.
The Canadian teams should of been sent home.But this debacle exposes the corruption with Canada Soccer.I even heard that they also used a drone in the Copa America playoff against Trinidad&Tobago.And in Copa America as well.
The US plays 90% of their games at home. Of course they have people in their stadiums spying. Don’t go all dramatic here.
As a Canadian, this one hurts… a lot. I am disgusted to find out that our coaches were engaging in this conduct, and in a systematic way. With that said, we didn't become the team we did (in both men's and women's) simply by drone spying. We built these teams from the ground up and have been blessed to have some generational talent come through. Drones didn't teach Alphonso how to run, or Sinclair how to score a clutch goal. If you think our performance these days is strictly down to drone footage, then you're just a terrible analyst.
Hopefully, we can get past this and continue to build our programs. I feel gutted for the players on our Women's team right now who feel like they have the weight of the world on their shoulders. They have persevered and our really giving a gutsy performance right now!
The Qatar 2022 Game, Canada Morocco.
It seemed a little bit bizarre that a National Team with I thought is somewhat an unknown Coach, that they knew the game during the match enough but didn't come with a result not against Morocco nor Croatia nor Belgium.
So, if I add the FACTOR that they spied on their opponents, then it makes more sense.
But, lets not say too much and wait for the Canadian Media to lead the way.
How can it be Not cheating while using a Drone to spy on the opponent's training session?
If you allow all Teams to spy as well with a drone, then everybody has an equal opportunity.
As long as the IOC says not to use Drones to spy, then that's cheating, unless the other team does the same.
6 pt deduction is very fair
like Herc hasnt intentionally flown a drone over Seba's backyard to see what kind of riches his co host has, or to see if there was a party to which Herc wasnt invited.
They wouldn't be talking the risk of filming this whole time if they weren't getting something worth the risk.
Wow, seems like there needs to be a thorough investigation needs to be done asap. Stories and blame game doesn’t add up. Canada, as an America in disappointed – you are better than that and always had the talent and grit. This isn’t strategic coaching, this is clearly disrespect to your opponent, the game and your country. Earn your W’s now and all involved should be fired including higher ups in federation. 👎👎👎
NZ should appeal, there’s no way of knowing that the tactics Canada saw were used against them in that win. They should have been given the three points.
Most of what you gentleman spoke on is coming sense …..
Agreed …….watching your competition is normal. during warmups up ….spying is shady…
When it comes to calling Tyler Adams intelligent and smart enough….
Stop that cap….
Dude sucks along with all these fake golden generation club kids that have been hyped for years…….
The Olympic squad is better …
One x
Morons have noted that since Priestman and Herdman live in the same area, they must be cheats!😂
Ok so why did the 6 Chinese swimmers who tested positive for the same banned substance as last Olympics, not get sent home?
Just do a Trump and say it’s fake news
Again….least egregious thing to come out of Football….isn't there an entire Netflix documentary on the STILL rampant corruption in FIFA?!??! Canada is just a scapegoat so they can feel better about themselves at the end of the day.
All wins are now in question as they should be
Tyler a f****n idiot, I don’t want to see him at the national team ever again, not for a this but he don’t have the mentality for it
Great show. How could these Canadian coaches do this to there country and to all the players they coach through the years. Both coaches knew they were cheating and the truth will come out. I’m a father with two daughter and help them learn the beautiful game. The Canadian tarnish the game. The Canadian organization needs to be over hauled and give back the medals to the 2nd, 3rd,4th place winners from prior tournaments. Canada needs to man up.
I see canada hired Bill
The Canadian men's team will not be sanctioned.
I don’t believe the prayers didn’t know cheating was going on and that they were benefiting from it!
This is similar to Jim Harbaugh's scouting scandal/cheating at the University of Michigan except in that case the team was allowed to play in the national championship game.
Still not changing the fact Canada came in 4th and there is no evidence that we use it during the tournament
we actually love this because Now we have more to prove going forward. That it was our talent not the media narrative that we can bang with the best of them. We need this fuel leading into 2026. Thank you.
As a Canadian, I can tell you that everyone that I know is totally embarrassed by this. This seems totally un-Canadian to most of us.
I feel badly for the players; but I do think that punishment is warranted.
Having said that & knowing how corrupt FIFA management has been, it's kind of rich & ironic that they would be the ones to dole out any kind of punishment.
I do think that if CONCACAF & FIFA are going to be investigating Canada through our history, which I do agree with, then they are obliged to also investigate Tyler Adams & Herc Gomez's statements & look into how prevalent this kind of cheating has been in all of soccer all along. Quite frankly, I don't see any difference in sending drones to watch practices, versus sending people incognito to spy on other team's practices. It is just a more modern version of the same form of cheating.
By the way, Canada has recently replaced board members & has a new CEO, Kevin Blue, who comes from the golf world & he most likely would not condone this behaviour st all.
And we still made the Quarterfinals… beeeatch
I know you Americans are pretty excited about this, but must I remind you that the NE Patriots plunged themselves into deflate-gate and were never punished by taking away their SB win that same year. And there's the Houston Astros garbage-can signal scandal that helped them win the World Series. They still have that title and the techician that set up the monitor in their dugout received a whopping $450,000 dollars for his dedication to the scam, and his salary was only $45,000.
STUFF THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT BOYS
The difference between Canada and the USA is that when the USA cheats, those behind the scam are given bonuses. It's really delusional to attack a minor incident of drones, which was wrong no doubt, and forget that sports is riddled with bribery and corruption. You're crying foul and somehow have forgotten that FIFA is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet, and some of them WENT TO JAIL. Next time put this in perspective just a little better and don't look at it with laser-like delusions that this is the worst thing since Mount St Helene.
No one will ever be able to trust Canada again 🥺
Maybe just a peep hole next time
First time Herc agrees with Alexi. Pundits only people with hurt feelings over this. All this hyperbole about the past …who cares, They cheated. some heads roll and some penalties. Maybe they should be sent home. but to make it some giant thing when teams been sneaking views of practice forever is blowing it out of proportion. Hope they try to suspend Heardman and toronto fc says f off
If im peter argurso and kevin blue there needs to be a full investigation to the board as well if the want to build better relationships with communities
Westhead has been wrong more times then he's been right.
Is US next?