@RoryJenningsFootball & @Buvey debate Gareth Southgate’s future as England manager after a disappointing 1-1 draw with Ukraine – ahead of Euro 2024, where they go in as favourites.
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Now no, 9 months until a major tournament, plus who is there out there to replace him? Club and international football are two different things, only certain coaches can work with international teams so it takes time to find a replacement.
Personally I see him going after the euros no matter what, and personally I think after the world Cup in Qatar he probably should have walked, then we would have had plenty of time before the next major tournament. No matter what he does in the euros, people will always be jumping on his back. Also to judge him after one game against Ukraine is ridiculous, he was quite clearly mixing a few things up, it was essentially a friendly so was a good opportunity. To sack him now would be ridiculous in my opinion, and all these people calling for that were just bored with no prem football, no matter what you think of him sacking him now would be a bad thing.
Concacaf teams better than England at the moment đđ
Any modest success England have had is despite Southgate, any failure to capitalise on this success is because of Southgate.
What isn't broght up here is the fact that a manager who's contracted to a club can actually be in charge of a national team as well.
The title got my hopes up!!!
Be good if there was an outstanding replacement lined up before sacking anyone
Who will get the job? đ¤
3:05 The Manchester city dudes says ".. embarrassing.. " As if Danny Mills isn't their legitimate golden club legend đđ¤Ąđ¤Ąđ¤Ą
The only realistic suitable English manager to bring in at this moment is Will Still. Young and exciting, would suit our team and would be interested to see how he could get an already talented squad firing.
I have always said I could see Jose Mourinho managing England
Steve Cooper is Welsh but I'd still take him over Flopgate
Yes basically đ
Too early for Gerrard?
Find someone who looks at you the way Rory looks at Buvey đđĽ°â¤ď¸
We are 100% gonna look back on this in 10 years time after winning nothing and it will be a golden generation âwhat ifâ all over again
Where is True Geordie???
god Rory is so insufferable. "hes a Guardiola player so he must be good" so dumb. Grealish has become the definition of a Guardiola player but i dont think he should start in this England team over other forward that we have
Idiots who think Gareth Southgate should be sacked. Youâve got short memories and donât know what youâre talking about.
Downfall?
Your so called "golden generation" won nothing, even with Fabio Capello. This squad is nowhere near the squads that had Lampard, Gerrard, Rio, Rooney etc. What makes you think that Guardiola will do well? He's used to getting any type of players he wants, a national team had limited players. Why will Guardiola take the England job instead of helping a struggling spain? Catalonia?
This guy took you to continuous semifinals & finals with players that match the chemistry, not with so called star players.
It's true that Maguire is insulted & roasted in the internet, whereas there are even way worse players than him at club level.
England won't even make Quarter finals by hiring Guardiola in 7 months or playing all star players together—Mark my words.
This squad is wasted on southgate
When I saw Bellingham starting at LW I had flashbacks to 30 year old rooney playing CMđ
outclassed by Dechamps đ¤Łđ¤Ł
So A supporter says sack the manager i guess you know nothing about coaching or playing senior football. Give them a break by your lack of knowledge and shut up.
Saying James ward prowse as a DMC its ridiculous, I totally have no prob with kalvin called up coz apart from rice no English DM is better than him
âI would sacrifice two World Cup qualifications for a Eurosâ Why? Then a bunch of kids donât get to see the World Cup so two old whingers can talk about how we were the best in Europe 10 years ago. Think it through.
Foden and Madison are different. You can't just sub one for the other, its all dependant on what way the team wants to olay. Buvey is right, foden suits a very specific type of attack with ball movement and player movement that is really intricate. England dont olay that football. but, madison is ahowing over the last few weeks that hes got that abilty to change a game.
Stephen Howson been saying that for at least a year or two.
Lost me when Rory suggested Henderson should be starting ahead of Philips.
Henderson has just been bombed out of Liverpool to the Saudi League because he's not good enough anymore, also, Southgate did start Henderson ahead of Philips against Ukraine and we were god awful.
As a leicester fan I'm delighted to see maddison doing well at spurs, he deserves it. But he needs to be central. Foden should start over him, but having maddison as an option on the bench is amazing. Just don't play him on the wing ffs
Criticising Southgate & saying heâs gotta go is all well & good until you realise who we could realistically replace him with. Howe & Potter are project managers. Southgateâs done the majority of the work in the project, but itâs so near completion, we just need the absolute best of winners to get this group of players over the line. That isnât Howe or Potter, so whatâs the point in getting rid of Southgate?
Got to love the English lol
What does my head in with Southgate is that he could easily maintain his core squad and principles, but still play with 5 top tier attackers in a slightly modified/modernised system. He leaves too much threat on the bench for the sake of pragmatism.
We should just flat out copy the Pep blueprint from last season and go with a 442 or 4231 out of possesion, but a 3223 box midfeild in build up. For the pragmatism we can have a block of 5 players with solid defensive profiles that have thrived at possession based clubs and use them as potection and support for 5 class attackers to play with freedom and width.
Grealish – Kane – Saka
Bellingham – Foden
Rice – Stones
Colwill – Dunk – Walker
Stop shoehorning in Maguire, Philips, Henderson, Trippier out of position and Maddison out of position. Use a core of City playera and fill the rest of the squad with players that fit the system rather than his favourites.
Bellingham is a generational talent not foden đ
This is Southgates 4th tournament and if we don't win anything that's 8 years of boring mediocre football he has to go. But may as well give him the next tournament as the euros is next year but after that he needs to go
Itâs all good shouting âSouthgate Outâ every five minutes but who is the available right now who would be a clear upgrade? There isnât one.
Club management is completely irrelevant to international management which makes the ârelegated Middlesbroughâ so lazy. Germany and Spain took treble winners to the World Cup and flopped, meanwhile Argentina won it with a coach whoâs never had a club job in his life.
Iâd like to see Maguire phased out by the Euros but with Stones and Shaw injured I can see why he didnât want to change three of the back four.
People forget that international managers have a week of training sessions every three months, so continuity is key. You canât just pick whoever has done well in the premier league last week.
Southgate is trash he is hitting an iceberg
The FA wonât sack him: heâs safe, an FA man, wonât rock the boat and bring them In disrepute like Big Sam did; will get England qualified for the Euros and WC. And they donât care he wonât win anything because heâs also English.
Southgate doesnât understand how to get his England team to use possession effectively. He thinks Pickford, Maguire and Rice passing between the 3 of them as keeping the ball well and controlling things when they donât make progressive passes and carry the ball to draw the opposition out who play 10 men behind the ball (see v Ukraine, v USA, v France.) and this is also Southgateâs team and squad who got relegated from the Nations league including Germany, Italy, Hungary.