Jim White, Simon Jordan and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink debate whether Gareth Southgate would’ve done better than Thomas Tuchel at the World Cup.
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45 Comments
Enjoyed listerning to Jimmy.
When Messi crossed the ball there was 7 defenders in the box and 2 trying to stop the cross, why was Lautaro Martinez unmarked in the box. This is real question, TUCHEL WASN’T ON THE PITCH, Why didn’t they even try to foul the opposition to break up play at 1-1, “IF THE MANAGER DOESN’T WANT TO WIN, THE PLAYERS SHOULD WANT IT FOR THEMSELVES.”
Every single tournament. Failure from england. Its all the managers fault. Sack him. Next tournament, EXACTLY the same outcome.
4:38 it's not after the fact. The issue is that Tuchel did exactly the opposite of what fans were screaming at the telly.
I don't like it when other managers say things like 'it's not easy' etc. etc.
Everyone who's kicked a ball in their life knows:
a) you don't give Messi (and Argentina) shooting practice (through defensive / hold on substituons), or
b) Argentina are not Mexico what works against Mexico is of no relevance against Argentina
8:34 Kane came into that tournament injured, Jimmy is 100% wrong about Kane.
Yet again, Simon seems to understand the game much better than the presenter or the ex footballer. Weird.
If these were actual debates, Simon would win every one.
It seems many ex footballers must have been doing things by instinct, because they simply don't understand the game as well as they think they do.
Jimmy loved the fact that Gareth kept kneeling infront of Jimmy post-shower.
Wokegate was a clown 🤡
Listening to JFH is like watching paint dry. Goodness.
Tuchel proved that he was no different than Southgate. When it was time to be brave, he was a coward. No different than Arteta in the Champions League Final. No different than many other English and non-English managers that "navigate" through a game instead of playing to win.
Jim you know how to poke to get information and you are very good at what you do.
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He planned it ! Revenge for the 1966 World Cup defeat and ww2
Jimmy is so much better than Simon.
either we ARE good enought but badly managed OR not good enough no matter who manages us???
Imagine being hurt by a player saying he's having a better time in one camp than a previous one. It's HIS experience & HIS opinion. Good God, this is where we're at. People are too sensitive. Anyone would think he called JFH a clown. If he doesn't know what Bellingham meant why is he hurt by it? Is it hard to believe this camp might be much better than the last camp for him as more of his friends are there? It's not rocket science! Bellingham can't even have an opinion without someone getting upset!!
Excuse Central!
Jude just said that to stay positive. If he said "Oh last time we had a perfect camp" then there would no room for improvoment. Every tounament this tournament will be apparently better than the last one. It's just a way to boost confidence.
Southgate and Tuchel both took the lead in big games and both parked the defence bus .
Can see why we never won anything with Jimmy, his answers in this debate at least, are cowardly
Simin is a moron, He advocated for Tuchel wh did a terrible job at the key moment
If Simon knows all the correct decisions to make why doesn't he become the next manager?
Maybe england just isnt that good
Wait did Hasselbaink play for England under Garreth Southgate? I forgot that.
Jimmy do you know what was painful? watching you and your mate Gareth throw away another great chance at silverware!! that was one of the most painful things i ever witnessed…. just sayin
Spain tried to hire Messi when he was a teenager in Barcelona. England and France should hire more players from different continents to win.
When Palmer equalised, if my memory serves me well , only shaw ran jubilantly to celebrate with him , that spoke volumes on the togetherness of that camp , it's clear that they had a disliking amongst themselves
Phil foden was the player England needed for 1-2 quick passing and links. Trent would have found very good passes to the wing and beyond.
Excuses these football managers and players make for making mistakes is so creative. Anyone ever just admit to a mistake? Politicians level bs
Jimmy, great comments. Simon lives in the world of the newspapers from years ago. Ultra critical on occasions. We have the same England problems no matter who the manager is. The premier league does not produce the type of player to win England anything. It's a business the pl. Kick and rush. It's all about the running.
And all this tripe about "Gareth Southgate making everything better in the camp, this and that, harmony BS" and Bellingham basically says "nah, that's not how it was" LOL
Can this Southgate harmony BS narrative finally fck off now?? hahaha
Odd to hear Jimmy say "we" agaisnt his own country lol.
Southgate won every game he should have won, and lost games against teams that were either on par or better. He’s no different that Tuchel, Sven or any other England manager in the last 30 years
Argentinian players played barbarically and English players played politely. Argentinian players are emotionally connected to the game, English players are mentally connected. That’s also the difference. Emotional preparedness is what will allow change in tactics and surprises in the game. You can only surprise others by surprising yourself and to do that one needs to be emotional. You saw it with Argentina from the singing of their anthem. They were fully emotional even before the game started.
Who do you think will win in that scenario! Plus, FIFA, is always on their side. They want a dramatic play, that’s what brings money in. It’s so unfair how they get away with so much. They were punching, hitting the English players even before the English players retreated and gave up. It’s always Messi for FIFA. He’s the money maker. Go Spain 🇪🇸 🙏
As an acting 🎭 coach even in acting you got to leave it all on the stage to never give up on your goal to win. Why would it not be the same in football ⚽️?! The English were too polite, politeness never gets you to your goal on any stage. Not in acting 🎭 not in football ⚽️ I don’t understand how the coach did not know that. We know it in acting. Thank you. 🙏
Love JFH but pack it in, England couldn’t get the ball, let alone keep it or counter attack 😂
They're simply not good enough. They've maxed out. England have never had world beaters the likes of Zidane, R9+R10+R11,Messi, Xavi+Iniesta, Ozil+Kroos, the list goes on. Name ONE England player with that amount of skill level. You just can't.. Can't keep blaming the manager. It's the talent that's the issue.
I think both have points. Closer than I thought it would be. I do think Simon is a bit more right, on this one
Souness said the same as JFH, in podcast with Jordon and J.Terry, blamed the players for defending and also said we aren't a good enough side.
Spain France and the South Americans are not bred to win at all costs, they learn to play football from an early age, and if you lose the ball it’s not the end of the world. Look at the arsenal prem win, forumlaic, england are the same
Tuchel is very overrated. There is not a single match, both in qualification and the tournament itself has Tuchel actually shown his prowess. Every single game England have played has been poor to hard work and he has been saved by Jude and Kane to a lesser extent every single time. Without Jude England would not have qualified let alone get to the semis. So what good is Tuchel?
We never play well. Maybe 3 games in 20 years
Southgate took England from quarter finalist to regular finalist and semi finalist the most successful England manager since Alf Ramsay.
How baised is Jimmy jus coz he worked with Southgate 😮
100% agree with Jimmy, too much football intelligence and reasonableness for Simon.
Jordan knows full well he was wrong to bash Southgate, he just can't stand admitting it.
Jimmy would make a great politician.
Southgate was a massive bottle job and Tuchel is not far behind him. We need pep!
Jude moaning like a spoilt brat