Also Us getting Enrique has the same chance of me getting a date with Margot Robbie
Penny_Leyne on
I know some people disagree but I’d still personally take Nagelsmann over Carrick at this point.
Luis Enrique would be the dream but that isn’t happening.
sg291188 on
My personal preference for long time has been Hansi Flick. Always wanted to see how his high line would evolve in PL. Also great experience working with youth.
desmondao on
Carrick or maybe Enrique. Still prefer Carrick though.
AGooseofBattle on
Not Eddie Howe
Living-Traffic-9755 on
its either enrique(wont happen) or nagelsmann, i dont want iraola, glasner or even eddie howe
BoyVanStumpen on
Nagelsmann will be worse than ten hag and maybe even amorim
ALLMIGHTYHYDE on
The only serious option on this list is Enrique & I don’t think he leaves PSG unless he wins the CL and League again then somehow manage to convince him to move to Manchester and pay him over 20 million euros which is what PSG have offered him to stay.
Otherwise we stick with Carrick give him a few more *quality* players and see what he does.
Emergency-Being-349 on
This ‘might as well stick with Carrick’ is a crazy narrative. How do you go with an ‘oh well’ decision when you’re staring down a summer of 250+ million, with an opportunity to continue momentum and work towards challenging again? If the club were to make a decision based on this notion, then I have zero faith in any plan or long term success for the next decade.
EDIT: must laugh at the above video, ‘need a manager who adapts to the players and doesn’t force them into his way’ but then starts with Luis Enrique. Lol.
ajemik on
Either give Carrick the benefit of doubt or go for Enrique. There’s no point for some weird stopgaps like Howe or whomever is thrown around.
Icowanda on
Carrickinho.
straightouttaobesity on
Enrique or Nagelsmann.
Enrique will require a complete overhaul but he will get you the league in 3 years.
Nagelsmann had a torrid time at Bayern but one of his main strengths at Hoffenheim was his ability to be adaptable and play with young players. He will fit in at United.
Carrick, we have seen Ole’s magic run out the moment he became the permanent manager. I don’t think Carrick is an upgrade. I wish him all the best, but he isn’t the right man for United.
My left field choice would be Ancellotti. But we have seen that he is only as good as the squad. Our attack has improved but midfield and defence (wing backs) remain a concern. Unless we magically fix 5 positions in 1 window (LW, LB, RB, CDMx2) and add depth (CBs, FBs, CF), I doubt Carlo’s magic will rub off on us. Maybe Nagelsmann within 2 years creates a base for Ancellotti/Enrique to come in and finally deliver a league title.
ImOnlyChasingSafety on
I think Hoeness from Stuttgart is a good option but I doubt hes on the list.
Prof_Bobo on
Dip Sir Alex in the Lazarus Pits, boys, we’ve got an obnoxious Arsenal group to give the old in-out, in-out.
Artistic_Finish7913 on
Honestly I am not sold on any of the alternatives available except for Enrique. May as well extend Carrick’s interim stint. Anyway, we do better under interim managers than tenured ones.
spyrocrash99 on
Carrick feels right at home to me. The players seem to enjoy playing under him,
It’s one thing to look at a manager’s achievements but you can still kinda see it would be an odd match and won’t click for the long term. Reminds of when Ancelotti took over Everton.
Chairmanmaozedon on
People shit on Carrick as if there’s no way it works long term, the fact is since Fergie retired appointing the big name and/or flavour of the month has failed multiple times and the Solskjaer decision failed once (and I still say he was screwed by having Cristiano imposed on him when he had a decent young front 3), the idea Nagelsman or Luis Enrique are sure to succeed is absolute horseshit. Also Enriques record outside Barca, Spain and PSG (ie jobs it’s hard to fail at) is nothing to write home about at all.
If what Carrick is doing isn’t good enough for the job then nothing is and Nagelsman and Enrique will come in spend a fortune and be gone in 18 months. Sometimes you just have to take what you have rather than constantly looking for something better.
DemonLordMammon on
In reality if it’s not Enrique, it should be Carrick. Nagelsman has managed bigger clubs, yes, but I also worry about the human side of things. Part of my problem with Amorim was always that he was far too emotional, never composed enough, and genuinely seemed to hate the job within around two months. The last thing the team needs at the minute is another emotionally volatile manager stuck to a single system, without the strength to deal with a media out to get him.
Carrick, while he might not have the record of Nagelsman or Enrique, at the very least projects an aura of calmness. You can see it in the way the players respect him, how he respects his coaching staff, and how the team on the whole appears to have taken on some of his calmness. Good managers often find themselves reflected in the team like that.
Business_Dig_4747 on
I’m grateful for Carrick, he stabilized us and will likely get us CL football, but lets be honest, who here wanted him to coach us next season when he was announced?
We’ve literally been here before with Ole, each performance under Carrick is less convincing than the first two, he is extremely inflexible tactically and his ideas aren’t suited to challenging for a title in the modern game.
If you look at the comments from Boro fans (won’t pretend I’ve watched much of them under him), it was always that if his plan A didn’t work, he had no response. He constantly played the same 11 regardless of opposition or form – sound familiar?
I think his ceiling is top 3-5, but like Ole, it could implode and leave us significantly worse next season, since he won’t have the buy in from players a more experienced and accomplished coach would.
rdl216 on
I think people really overestimate the benefits of top flight managerial experience when evaluating carrick:
– **Xabi Alonso**: Managed Real Sociedad B before winning the Bundesliga with Bayer Leverkusen.
– **Mikel Arteta**: Coached Man City before taking the Arsenal Manager job. Consistent title contender in recent years, currently at the top of the Premier League.
– **Pep Guardiola**: Managed Barcelona B (with Tito Vilanova as his assistant) for a season before immediately winning the trebble with Barcelona in his first year.
– **Zinedine Zidane**: Managed Real Madrid Castilla before taking the Madrid job and winning back to back champions leagues.
Carrick traineed under one of the best managers in history, played a highly tactical role in the middle of the field (like those listed above) and was coach when we secured our joint highest league position under Ole.
By contrast, very few managers that have overperformed compared to their resources with teams that typically place lower in the league have gone on to win trophies with big clubs.
I think part of the reason is the squad. Lower positioned teams focus more on physical traits and the tactical system to win games. They don’t have to worry as much about teams sitting back. Manchester Utd can afford to buy the best players in the world, who see the game better and tend to have better technical attributes. There are different types of managers for different types of job. Rooney discussed this when he was at Derby, and players just couldn’t do what he was asking then to do.
Of course, being a former player and coach doesn’t guarantee success. But so far Carrick has done exceptionally well. Some people talk about us struggling in certain games, and say we haven’t looked very good recently. But historically, that is nothing new. Towards the end of Ferguson’s tenure, we were not routinely smashing teams.
In the last PL season we won (2012/13) 42% of games were won by a single goal difference. We lost five games by a goal, and drew five. In other words, almost 70% of games were decided by one or less goals. We won 7 games by a margin of 2 goals (18%).
Compare that to Carricks total record as interim (including his first short stint) against Premier League Teams:
– 42% of games decided by one goal (as in the 2012 season)
– Three draws (25%)
– Three games won by two goals (25%)
– One game lost by a single goal (8%)
It is only my view, but the matches we have looked better in have been against bigger clubs, where the game has been more open. Importantly, under Carrick we have managed to successfully defend our lead or grab goals back to win or draw games.
We have had very experienced managers in the past (Mourinho and Van Gaal), we have had new managers that looked exciting (Ten Haag and Amorin) as well as managers that have played well for lower positioned Premier League teams (Moyes). Yet our best results, and some of our best play has come under former players like Ole, Giggs and Carrick. I don’t think it should be discounted.
TheMediumJanet on
Jay Cartwright if we can convince him to leave his role in the England setup
DominateWar on
It will be Carrick, there is no other option that I know or think of.
Yes, we will suffer, I think Carrick has done well but certain times he’s too rigid for my taste, playing every 3 days I’m really curious if he comes up with ideas or proper rotation. Proper rotation while maintaining somewhat a style of play…
Whoever the coach will be, I think next season will be a struggle, Ole I think is the only one that managed to make two consecutive seasons acceptable.
Will Carrick be the first english man to lift EPL? I doubt. Maybe he’s the manager before the winning manager.
gubbero on
This probably a selection of
A. Established top manager (Enrique or Nagelsmann)
B. PL proven option of which Carrick is the best proven fit compared to Glasner, Iraola etc.
Either way I’d be happy with Carrick staying and have options for an S tier manager down the lane when they are available.
Utds9 on
Enrique or Nagelsmann. If not then it goes to Carrick. I do think it will end up being Nagelsmann though.
tsuku96 on
Funny how people want a “trendy foreign coach from a weaker league who did well in the champions league” part 3
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My pref list: Nagelsmann
Carrick
Iraola
Also Us getting Enrique has the same chance of me getting a date with Margot Robbie
I know some people disagree but I’d still personally take Nagelsmann over Carrick at this point.
Luis Enrique would be the dream but that isn’t happening.
My personal preference for long time has been Hansi Flick. Always wanted to see how his high line would evolve in PL. Also great experience working with youth.
Carrick or maybe Enrique. Still prefer Carrick though.
Not Eddie Howe
its either enrique(wont happen) or nagelsmann, i dont want iraola, glasner or even eddie howe
Nagelsmann will be worse than ten hag and maybe even amorim
The only serious option on this list is Enrique & I don’t think he leaves PSG unless he wins the CL and League again then somehow manage to convince him to move to Manchester and pay him over 20 million euros which is what PSG have offered him to stay.
Otherwise we stick with Carrick give him a few more *quality* players and see what he does.
This ‘might as well stick with Carrick’ is a crazy narrative. How do you go with an ‘oh well’ decision when you’re staring down a summer of 250+ million, with an opportunity to continue momentum and work towards challenging again? If the club were to make a decision based on this notion, then I have zero faith in any plan or long term success for the next decade.
EDIT: must laugh at the above video, ‘need a manager who adapts to the players and doesn’t force them into his way’ but then starts with Luis Enrique. Lol.
Either give Carrick the benefit of doubt or go for Enrique. There’s no point for some weird stopgaps like Howe or whomever is thrown around.
Carrickinho.
Enrique or Nagelsmann.
Enrique will require a complete overhaul but he will get you the league in 3 years.
Nagelsmann had a torrid time at Bayern but one of his main strengths at Hoffenheim was his ability to be adaptable and play with young players. He will fit in at United.
Carrick, we have seen Ole’s magic run out the moment he became the permanent manager. I don’t think Carrick is an upgrade. I wish him all the best, but he isn’t the right man for United.
My left field choice would be Ancellotti. But we have seen that he is only as good as the squad. Our attack has improved but midfield and defence (wing backs) remain a concern. Unless we magically fix 5 positions in 1 window (LW, LB, RB, CDMx2) and add depth (CBs, FBs, CF), I doubt Carlo’s magic will rub off on us. Maybe Nagelsmann within 2 years creates a base for Ancellotti/Enrique to come in and finally deliver a league title.
I think Hoeness from Stuttgart is a good option but I doubt hes on the list.
Dip Sir Alex in the Lazarus Pits, boys, we’ve got an obnoxious Arsenal group to give the old in-out, in-out.
Honestly I am not sold on any of the alternatives available except for Enrique. May as well extend Carrick’s interim stint. Anyway, we do better under interim managers than tenured ones.
Carrick feels right at home to me. The players seem to enjoy playing under him,
It’s one thing to look at a manager’s achievements but you can still kinda see it would be an odd match and won’t click for the long term. Reminds of when Ancelotti took over Everton.
People shit on Carrick as if there’s no way it works long term, the fact is since Fergie retired appointing the big name and/or flavour of the month has failed multiple times and the Solskjaer decision failed once (and I still say he was screwed by having Cristiano imposed on him when he had a decent young front 3), the idea Nagelsman or Luis Enrique are sure to succeed is absolute horseshit. Also Enriques record outside Barca, Spain and PSG (ie jobs it’s hard to fail at) is nothing to write home about at all.
If what Carrick is doing isn’t good enough for the job then nothing is and Nagelsman and Enrique will come in spend a fortune and be gone in 18 months. Sometimes you just have to take what you have rather than constantly looking for something better.
In reality if it’s not Enrique, it should be Carrick. Nagelsman has managed bigger clubs, yes, but I also worry about the human side of things. Part of my problem with Amorim was always that he was far too emotional, never composed enough, and genuinely seemed to hate the job within around two months. The last thing the team needs at the minute is another emotionally volatile manager stuck to a single system, without the strength to deal with a media out to get him.
Carrick, while he might not have the record of Nagelsman or Enrique, at the very least projects an aura of calmness. You can see it in the way the players respect him, how he respects his coaching staff, and how the team on the whole appears to have taken on some of his calmness. Good managers often find themselves reflected in the team like that.
I’m grateful for Carrick, he stabilized us and will likely get us CL football, but lets be honest, who here wanted him to coach us next season when he was announced?
We’ve literally been here before with Ole, each performance under Carrick is less convincing than the first two, he is extremely inflexible tactically and his ideas aren’t suited to challenging for a title in the modern game.
If you look at the comments from Boro fans (won’t pretend I’ve watched much of them under him), it was always that if his plan A didn’t work, he had no response. He constantly played the same 11 regardless of opposition or form – sound familiar?
I think his ceiling is top 3-5, but like Ole, it could implode and leave us significantly worse next season, since he won’t have the buy in from players a more experienced and accomplished coach would.
I think people really overestimate the benefits of top flight managerial experience when evaluating carrick:
– **Xabi Alonso**: Managed Real Sociedad B before winning the Bundesliga with Bayer Leverkusen.
– **Mikel Arteta**: Coached Man City before taking the Arsenal Manager job. Consistent title contender in recent years, currently at the top of the Premier League.
– **Pep Guardiola**: Managed Barcelona B (with Tito Vilanova as his assistant) for a season before immediately winning the trebble with Barcelona in his first year.
– **Zinedine Zidane**: Managed Real Madrid Castilla before taking the Madrid job and winning back to back champions leagues.
Carrick traineed under one of the best managers in history, played a highly tactical role in the middle of the field (like those listed above) and was coach when we secured our joint highest league position under Ole.
By contrast, very few managers that have overperformed compared to their resources with teams that typically place lower in the league have gone on to win trophies with big clubs.
I think part of the reason is the squad. Lower positioned teams focus more on physical traits and the tactical system to win games. They don’t have to worry as much about teams sitting back. Manchester Utd can afford to buy the best players in the world, who see the game better and tend to have better technical attributes. There are different types of managers for different types of job. Rooney discussed this when he was at Derby, and players just couldn’t do what he was asking then to do.
Of course, being a former player and coach doesn’t guarantee success. But so far Carrick has done exceptionally well. Some people talk about us struggling in certain games, and say we haven’t looked very good recently. But historically, that is nothing new. Towards the end of Ferguson’s tenure, we were not routinely smashing teams.
In the last PL season we won (2012/13) 42% of games were won by a single goal difference. We lost five games by a goal, and drew five. In other words, almost 70% of games were decided by one or less goals. We won 7 games by a margin of 2 goals (18%).
Compare that to Carricks total record as interim (including his first short stint) against Premier League Teams:
– 42% of games decided by one goal (as in the 2012 season)
– Three draws (25%)
– Three games won by two goals (25%)
– One game lost by a single goal (8%)
It is only my view, but the matches we have looked better in have been against bigger clubs, where the game has been more open. Importantly, under Carrick we have managed to successfully defend our lead or grab goals back to win or draw games.
We have had very experienced managers in the past (Mourinho and Van Gaal), we have had new managers that looked exciting (Ten Haag and Amorin) as well as managers that have played well for lower positioned Premier League teams (Moyes). Yet our best results, and some of our best play has come under former players like Ole, Giggs and Carrick. I don’t think it should be discounted.
Jay Cartwright if we can convince him to leave his role in the England setup
It will be Carrick, there is no other option that I know or think of.
Yes, we will suffer, I think Carrick has done well but certain times he’s too rigid for my taste, playing every 3 days I’m really curious if he comes up with ideas or proper rotation. Proper rotation while maintaining somewhat a style of play…
Whoever the coach will be, I think next season will be a struggle, Ole I think is the only one that managed to make two consecutive seasons acceptable.
Will Carrick be the first english man to lift EPL? I doubt. Maybe he’s the manager before the winning manager.
This probably a selection of
A. Established top manager (Enrique or Nagelsmann)
B. PL proven option of which Carrick is the best proven fit compared to Glasner, Iraola etc.
Either way I’d be happy with Carrick staying and have options for an S tier manager down the lane when they are available.
Enrique or Nagelsmann. If not then it goes to Carrick. I do think it will end up being Nagelsmann though.
Funny how people want a “trendy foreign coach from a weaker league who did well in the champions league” part 3