I can guarantee Roy Hodgsons going to win it next season
asif00013 on
Because they are terrible
GIVEMESPORT-Official on
Waiting for someone to comment, ‘But Sir Alex Ferguson won it so many times’ đ but in all seriousness, the closest to have won it was probably Kevin Keegan in 1996… That’s a long long time
spaghetti-policy_ on
Canât believe Tony Pulis or Alan Pardew never won it in their day
Terri23 on
Not only that, only two English managers have finished second in the league, and the second of those was 30 years ago.
RainbowPenguin1000 on
Thereâs a real reluctance for the bigger clubs in this league to recruit managers from smaller clubs in the league. This has made it harder for any managers (not just English) to progress up the ranks in this country.
And of course the majority of English managers have always been in this country.
WatercressExciting20 on
Only real explanation to it is theyâre tactically inferior and/or unwilling to evolve and keep improving their knowledge like foreign coaches are.
They get qualified, have a style, and stick to it. Elite coaches keep learning. Pepâs a good example, he went from pure tiki taka to now playing more balls over the top with direct wingers like Doku that like to beat a man.
But our English coaches havenât seemed as capable of change, or perhaps are more stubborn.
arghyaghosh0104 on
âPut some big boys up front. And whip it in from the sideline. Direct play. No nonsense.â
Hyperion262 on
Conversely British managers have been the most successful.
Spartachris89 on
English managers are synonymous with old school football when you look at them all theyâre all in the stone age of style of play and are really good managers for gritty weâre gonna stay up performances and often in some cases this works for a few years then they get relegated or on the brink and get sacked and then go back on the bottom prem to top of championship merrygoround
Not_Shingen on
This old thing has got dragged up again has it
Wipedout89 on
Sir Alex is Scottish, and it hardly seems like a majorly important distinction to say no English has won it when a Scottish/British is the most successful manager in the PL ever
awfulpigeon on
Our greatest managers including Allerdyce and Pulis (Welsh but close enough) were too ahead of their time with âroute one to the big manâ and the players werenât able to keep up. Now the foreign managers have finally caught up you see that the ground works by the forefathers paying dividends for managers like Arteta.
8Northern_lights on
Not good enough.
They (English) are good at setting up structures (leagues, academies, industries, religions) but not the best at execution of those structures they set up.
There is always someone better at what they come up with.
Ihavenoideatall on
Not sure whether is there any English manager are managing in other countries leagues? English management seems to reluctant to hire any in lower leagues.
drhavehope on
Why has no English manager won any of the top four leagues since 1992?
Because sadly, since Bobby Robson, England have not produced a really quality football coach.
The English coaching ideas and ideals are ancient and have not involved. Just look at all the great talent in the country that is overlooked for pressures of winning, running and being physical.
Accomplished-Good664 on
*Hang over from Heysel disaster England had many quality coaches from the 60’s until the early 90’s.Â
*Media massively over blowing genuine mediocrity like surviving relegation is amazing.Â
*Many aren’t good enough.Â
But I think the Heysel disaster stifled development for roughly 20 years.Â
Thatsnotwotisaid on
Because the English footballer/manager are low IQ and childlike ?
method_rap on
Because of utter woke nonsense
DuarteN10 on
Because theyâre shite?
Uchronicclarion on
Occamâs razor. I think the answer is pretty simple. The league was mostly dominated by 4 managers
This makes up ~76% of all prem winners. They were all amazing managers in their time. Itâs just bad luck an English manager hasnât won. It really isnât that deep.
Edit: to add to this, can someone actually name English managers who could have realistically won the league with their squads compared to the actual winners?
Loud_Ad_7678 on
Theyâre simply not good enough. They failed to evolve and learn the modern football we play today. The same thing happened with Brazilian coaches: in the past, you would see them all over the world, but now? Almost none. The same applies to English coaches, how many do you see managing in top leagues? Very few.
Compare that with countries like Portugal, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, and Germany, where coaches are working all over the world. Take Portugal as an example: such a small country, yet they studied the game, adapted, and developed many young coaches who are now spread across different leagues. You donât see that in England.
I believe that, just like in Brazil, thereâs a mindset that their ideas are superior and that they donât need to adapt. In Brazil, for example, Flamengo decided to give an opportunity to a Portuguese coach. Before that, they relied almost exclusively on Brazilian coaches, with a few South Americans. Since then, Portuguese coaches have dominated the league, winning more titles and Copa Libertadores than the rest.
Itâs similar to Mourinho. He was one of the greatest coaches in the world, and I admired him a lot, but in recent years heâs been stuck in his old mentality and ideas. He didnât evolve while the rest of the football world did.
Wishmaster891 on
Haven’t been given a chance to manage a club with top players.
Giggorm on
They pander to the media too much.
Can’t hide behind their broken English.
English supporters would rather their team achieve mid table mediocrity than genuinely trying to win something and fail… encourages English managers (who won’t get a gig on the continent) to play it safe.
Un-Prophete on
Because Scottish managers are better
s_dalbiac on
Personally, I think there are a few reasons. Firstly, the foreign managers in the league are simply better than the English ones, but the fact that English clubs have the spending power to attract the lion’s share of elite or promising managers from any European leagues makes it incredibly difficult for an up and coming English coach to get an opportunity. This is also now increasingly happening in the Championship too, so British managers are getting fewer opportunities even in the second tier. Other countries don’t have the luxury of being able to cherrypick, so have to develop their own home-grown coaches.
I think English/British managers also suffer from perception bias, in that they’ll take a job, do a perfectly decent job for the majority of the time, then end up getting sacked after one poor run in 18 months and be written off as a failure. If the likes of Rob Edwards and Kieran McKenna were managing somewhere like Germany, they’d almost certainly have landed better jobs in the Bundesliga based on what they did with Luton and Ipswich, but instead, Edwards had to wait for an opportunity at a Wolves side that are already practically condemned and McKenna is still at Ipswich.
I’m interested to see how Carrick does at United, not because I think he’s the next Ferguson or Guardiola, but because from an outsider’s point of view I feel like his “failure” as Middlesbrough is slightly overstated. He didn’t achieve promotion, but in an ultra-competitive league, he also always had them fighting for the playoffs. There was never a case where he finished 8th and then dropped to 16th. He delivered an immediate uptick in performances when he came in and then achieved consistent results. There may be valid criticism of some of his methods, but we’re only ever going to find out if he’s good enough to be a Premier League manager if he gets the chance to be one.
I think for an English manager to win the Prem, it’s going to take somebody getting a chance at a top club and then taking it in that job before they get the boot, because if you don’t make it count first time, then you won’t get another opportunity.
somethingdarkside45 on
Because the coaching infrastructure in England is years behind that of our European counterparts.
cockaskedforamartini on
How can they when they aren’t put in the position to do so? Of the 5 big teams to ever win the Premier League, only one of them has had an English manager for at least two years in the Premier League era – Roy Evans at Liverpool, 94-98. (Man City obviously had English managers but none since the 2008 takeover).
Historically, English managers have been unglamorous, tactically backwards and generally unappealing to these teams that want to be “global brands”. For so long, English football culture was all about how much you run and how hard you tackle. Any attempt to deviate from that was met with ridicule. Things are changing though. Look at grassroots football and academies and there is a clear difference in how the game is taught even from 10 years ago.
Posiconx on
A lot of the top clubs who have a chance for competing the title recruit the best managers from outside the UK. The current incarnation of Chelsea appointing the likes of Rosenoir and Potter is an outlier. It’s hard to imagine Arsenal or Man City trying to recruit Eddie Howe who is in that tier of teams below for example if they were looking for a new manager(not a knock on Howe who is clearly the best English manager.)
Also I think the fact a lot of English managers don’t have speak another language is a knock against them and limits their ability to work abroad though it is is encouraging to see O’Neill and Rosenoir go to France and Scott Parker to Belgium(even if he was crap there).
If anyone here has had a look at the coaching badges on the FA website, it’s not an inexpensive cost which might restrict the ability of people interested in doing it who work outside of football. My brother in law did a few courses so he could coach his son’s team but said the cost of getting the next qualifications was too much to justify.
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Four four facking two.
I can guarantee Roy Hodgsons going to win it next season
Because they are terrible
Waiting for someone to comment, ‘But Sir Alex Ferguson won it so many times’ đ but in all seriousness, the closest to have won it was probably Kevin Keegan in 1996… That’s a long long time
Canât believe Tony Pulis or Alan Pardew never won it in their day
Not only that, only two English managers have finished second in the league, and the second of those was 30 years ago.
Thereâs a real reluctance for the bigger clubs in this league to recruit managers from smaller clubs in the league. This has made it harder for any managers (not just English) to progress up the ranks in this country.
And of course the majority of English managers have always been in this country.
Only real explanation to it is theyâre tactically inferior and/or unwilling to evolve and keep improving their knowledge like foreign coaches are.
They get qualified, have a style, and stick to it. Elite coaches keep learning. Pepâs a good example, he went from pure tiki taka to now playing more balls over the top with direct wingers like Doku that like to beat a man.
But our English coaches havenât seemed as capable of change, or perhaps are more stubborn.
âPut some big boys up front. And whip it in from the sideline. Direct play. No nonsense.â
Conversely British managers have been the most successful.
English managers are synonymous with old school football when you look at them all theyâre all in the stone age of style of play and are really good managers for gritty weâre gonna stay up performances and often in some cases this works for a few years then they get relegated or on the brink and get sacked and then go back on the bottom prem to top of championship merrygoround
This old thing has got dragged up again has it
Sir Alex is Scottish, and it hardly seems like a majorly important distinction to say no English has won it when a Scottish/British is the most successful manager in the PL ever
Our greatest managers including Allerdyce and Pulis (Welsh but close enough) were too ahead of their time with âroute one to the big manâ and the players werenât able to keep up. Now the foreign managers have finally caught up you see that the ground works by the forefathers paying dividends for managers like Arteta.
Not good enough.
They (English) are good at setting up structures (leagues, academies, industries, religions) but not the best at execution of those structures they set up.
There is always someone better at what they come up with.
Not sure whether is there any English manager are managing in other countries leagues? English management seems to reluctant to hire any in lower leagues.
Why has no English manager won any of the top four leagues since 1992?
Because sadly, since Bobby Robson, England have not produced a really quality football coach.
The English coaching ideas and ideals are ancient and have not involved. Just look at all the great talent in the country that is overlooked for pressures of winning, running and being physical.
*Hang over from Heysel disaster England had many quality coaches from the 60’s until the early 90’s.Â
*Media massively over blowing genuine mediocrity like surviving relegation is amazing.Â
*Many aren’t good enough.Â
But I think the Heysel disaster stifled development for roughly 20 years.Â
Because the English footballer/manager are low IQ and childlike ?
Because of utter woke nonsense
Because theyâre shite?
Occamâs razor. I think the answer is pretty simple. The league was mostly dominated by 4 managers
– SAF: 13 titles
– Pep: 6 titles
– Wenger: 3 titles
– Mourinho: 3 titles
This makes up ~76% of all prem winners. They were all amazing managers in their time. Itâs just bad luck an English manager hasnât won. It really isnât that deep.
Edit: to add to this, can someone actually name English managers who could have realistically won the league with their squads compared to the actual winners?
Theyâre simply not good enough. They failed to evolve and learn the modern football we play today. The same thing happened with Brazilian coaches: in the past, you would see them all over the world, but now? Almost none. The same applies to English coaches, how many do you see managing in top leagues? Very few.
Compare that with countries like Portugal, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, and Germany, where coaches are working all over the world. Take Portugal as an example: such a small country, yet they studied the game, adapted, and developed many young coaches who are now spread across different leagues. You donât see that in England.
I believe that, just like in Brazil, thereâs a mindset that their ideas are superior and that they donât need to adapt. In Brazil, for example, Flamengo decided to give an opportunity to a Portuguese coach. Before that, they relied almost exclusively on Brazilian coaches, with a few South Americans. Since then, Portuguese coaches have dominated the league, winning more titles and Copa Libertadores than the rest.
Itâs similar to Mourinho. He was one of the greatest coaches in the world, and I admired him a lot, but in recent years heâs been stuck in his old mentality and ideas. He didnât evolve while the rest of the football world did.
Haven’t been given a chance to manage a club with top players.
They pander to the media too much.
Can’t hide behind their broken English.
English supporters would rather their team achieve mid table mediocrity than genuinely trying to win something and fail… encourages English managers (who won’t get a gig on the continent) to play it safe.
Because Scottish managers are better
Personally, I think there are a few reasons. Firstly, the foreign managers in the league are simply better than the English ones, but the fact that English clubs have the spending power to attract the lion’s share of elite or promising managers from any European leagues makes it incredibly difficult for an up and coming English coach to get an opportunity. This is also now increasingly happening in the Championship too, so British managers are getting fewer opportunities even in the second tier. Other countries don’t have the luxury of being able to cherrypick, so have to develop their own home-grown coaches.
I think English/British managers also suffer from perception bias, in that they’ll take a job, do a perfectly decent job for the majority of the time, then end up getting sacked after one poor run in 18 months and be written off as a failure. If the likes of Rob Edwards and Kieran McKenna were managing somewhere like Germany, they’d almost certainly have landed better jobs in the Bundesliga based on what they did with Luton and Ipswich, but instead, Edwards had to wait for an opportunity at a Wolves side that are already practically condemned and McKenna is still at Ipswich.
I’m interested to see how Carrick does at United, not because I think he’s the next Ferguson or Guardiola, but because from an outsider’s point of view I feel like his “failure” as Middlesbrough is slightly overstated. He didn’t achieve promotion, but in an ultra-competitive league, he also always had them fighting for the playoffs. There was never a case where he finished 8th and then dropped to 16th. He delivered an immediate uptick in performances when he came in and then achieved consistent results. There may be valid criticism of some of his methods, but we’re only ever going to find out if he’s good enough to be a Premier League manager if he gets the chance to be one.
I think for an English manager to win the Prem, it’s going to take somebody getting a chance at a top club and then taking it in that job before they get the boot, because if you don’t make it count first time, then you won’t get another opportunity.
Because the coaching infrastructure in England is years behind that of our European counterparts.
How can they when they aren’t put in the position to do so? Of the 5 big teams to ever win the Premier League, only one of them has had an English manager for at least two years in the Premier League era – Roy Evans at Liverpool, 94-98. (Man City obviously had English managers but none since the 2008 takeover).
Historically, English managers have been unglamorous, tactically backwards and generally unappealing to these teams that want to be “global brands”. For so long, English football culture was all about how much you run and how hard you tackle. Any attempt to deviate from that was met with ridicule. Things are changing though. Look at grassroots football and academies and there is a clear difference in how the game is taught even from 10 years ago.
A lot of the top clubs who have a chance for competing the title recruit the best managers from outside the UK. The current incarnation of Chelsea appointing the likes of Rosenoir and Potter is an outlier. It’s hard to imagine Arsenal or Man City trying to recruit Eddie Howe who is in that tier of teams below for example if they were looking for a new manager(not a knock on Howe who is clearly the best English manager.)
Also I think the fact a lot of English managers don’t have speak another language is a knock against them and limits their ability to work abroad though it is is encouraging to see O’Neill and Rosenoir go to France and Scott Parker to Belgium(even if he was crap there).
If anyone here has had a look at the coaching badges on the FA website, it’s not an inexpensive cost which might restrict the ability of people interested in doing it who work outside of football. My brother in law did a few courses so he could coach his son’s team but said the cost of getting the next qualifications was too much to justify.
SAF, Jose and Pep