Two red cards in two similar incidents on the same matchday. A red card for Arsenal’s David Luiz against Wolves, and a Mike Dean red card for Southampton’s Jan Bednarek against Manchester United. Were the red cards justified? Both incidents looked like accidental contact.
A review of the DOGSO (denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity) permutations that would result in either a red or yellow card.
Footage Used:
2020-21 Premier League season, Matchday 22 | Wolverhampton Wanderers 2 – 1 Arsenal*
2020-21 Premier League season, Matchday 22 | Manchester United 9 – 0 Southampton**
February 2, 2021
*Bernd Leno was also sent off
**Alex Jankewitz was also sent off (after 79 seconds!)
#southampton #premierleague #DOGSO
41 Comments
You can clearly see that Martial is diving before the contact happens. Its a yellow for Martial not a penalty.
Penalty is fair, but giving a red card for that is ridiculous
You say that it is hard to judge whether a touch is accidental or not, but is not just as hard to determine whether a player is making a genuine attempt for the ball (vs. making an attempt for someone's legs)?
Corrupt league, scam refferee
Who said officiating was easy. Erm, you pay top money to get the best professionals in, it's not sunday league where the ref gets alot of decisions wrong, this is top flight football. Period.
These rules are puting deffenders in difficult situation. They are afraid to deffend. With Luiz its penalty and not even a card. With Bednarek its penalty and a yellow card. Penalty its enough to give and fair in this situation. They are destroying fooball matches. Do they consider gk on the goal. Its clear chance with minimum contact and gk on the goal. Its not 100% goal so a penalty can put striker or the best player who shot penalty in a very good position to make game fair. Not penalty and red card to destroy one team for an accident or minimum contact.
Football is nolonger Football,,,, referees are totally drunkards
Similar contact with Saka, var didn't even check, was given corner kick.
Whereas the standard of soccer played in epl is very high, officiating is among the lowest in the top leagues! What a SHAME.
In my view, Luiz lazily ran across the back of him. Made minimal contact but still did. Not sure I would say you can argue not deliberate, we’ve all done it! Martial manufactured the red rather than being fouled. Left his leg for contact and dived at same time. Sadly still a pen but circumstance should have said it’s not a red. It won’t get rescinded.
Martial is such a diver
It’s ridiculous
Actually Pogba Fernandes martial and Rashford have learnt the art of diving and deceiving the ref
It’s actually incredible how they make it look real
Well done Man U
When officials make mistakes I think it would be fair for the FA to compensate the players and the clubs and discipline the officials.just imagine Roy Keane refereeing Arsenal game or managing pogba he will use the opportunity to show all his envious resentment
red card for bednarek is a ducking joke
Marshal said it wasn’t a foul 🤷
Martial's one is a clear dive though. Look at his feet. No contact yet, but he already falls.
All the penalties should be cheked by VAR. THIS SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.
Here's a fun twist: Bednarek's red was overturned, but Luiz's wasn't.
Even as an Arsenal fan this was my analysis and understanding of the rule as well. There was no attempt to play the ball, so red was issued.
Edit: My guess for the reason why the FA overturned Bednarek's red is, because it basically was a dive by Martial.
both total dives. nothing in either one to make a grown man fall over. what i find particularly nice about the Martial one is that Utd were 6-0 up at the time. If ever there was time to not dive it was then. Its not like the game was on the line, but professional footballers just can't help themselves. They HAVE to cheat whenever they can, whatever the circumstances. Its not even "sport" any more, its just who can cheat the best.
No attempt of a tackle was even made so bringing out the rule book doesn’t matter, and we’ve all accepted diving now, there’s no way there’s enough contact in either one to go down. The players have no right to complain when they all dive and shout at the refs
The rule is there to prevent someone blatantly just rugby tackling a player when last man. That's what they mean by no attempt to win the ball when they put the rule in place. These retards have interpreted and implemented the rule wrong
How can he be attempting to get the ball AND pulling out of the tackle which he is clearly doing???
FA have overturned the Southampton red but not the Luiz one. Insane
Why’s an American talking about football…
FUCK FA… FUCK Association…
NO DOGSO because Marital took a poor touch. the goalkeeper will dive on the ball before martial could have reached it. Why else would the other defenders complain of diving to the ref. the other incident happens while the attacker is shooting the ball clear dogso
Martial is a diver. Man Utd are the best in the world for flopping over for pens and freekicks
The rule should cover this kind of thing.
IT is easy, they have a fuccing screen to watch its absolutely mental what refs Are doing..
Diving hurts this sports, I blamed Neymar for this
bad analysis
you initiate it by accepting that the contact was enough to bring the players down , it wasn't
referees are biased and so is the media
when an arsenal player falls to the ground they say
get stuck in
it's a contact sport
the physical aspect of the premierleague
blah blah blah
when an arsenal opponent falls they say
if we use the magnifying glasses you'll find that the hair on luize's knee glanced the shoelaces of the attacker so there's contact and a penalty
that's called corruption and bais
ye but there was no contact. you see it again at the front angle with yan bederek there ws no contact
How the f did they overturn one and not the other!? Corruption and bias.
People aren’t talking about the issue: the rules. It was changed 4 years ago to say: However, players committing accidental fouls that deny a goalscoring chance will now be cautioned instead. But then the FA has this additional paragraph eveyone keeps citing about contact in the box That says it’s not a red if you make a play on the ball and is a red if you don’t (citing jersey grabs and pull backs). That paragraph doesn’t mention accidental contact at all so people assumed it should get classified as not a play on the ball and be a red. But that’s clearly not what the law was intending. But is confusing that the additional paragraph being cited doesn’t mention accidental contact at all. That’s where the confusion is arising. But the main rule change reported by eveyone 4 years ago says accidental contact isn’t a red.
Wasite emyu
MU-Southampton, yellow for diving!
can anyone explain why lacazette did not get penalty when martinez pulled him down ? The ball was flying to him as well
Well if they’re both the same, why did one get it over ruled and the other not.. fuckin idiots
The problem! I think in all goals, redcards and Yellow leading too red. The ref should be able to look at the screen. Even if the first yellow was faulty.
In this case when Mike Dean is wrong he needs to be punished, and the VAR for the luiz. Everyone know the 2 incidents are wrong.
In luiz case, iaf he touched his leg, its a pen. But i dont think its a yellow.
In man utd case i think martial should have a yellow. And in this case get it afterwards.
At 5 or 6-0 WHO even fall before he get touched… its just stupid
The bednarek one was overturned as there was no contact 😂