talkSPORT’s Jim White, Simon Jordan and Graeme Souness discuss Declan Rice’s controversial red card during Arsenal’s 1-1 draw with Brighton.
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35 Comments
He didn't miss Pedro kicking the ball away.His choice was NOT to book him.
Both players know what they're doing. Rice deserves a yellow. Veltman has been streetwise and knows if he strikes the ball and hits rice with the ball there's a potential yellow to be given for obstructing play. Very unlikely to be sent off, had this happened, because Rice needs more time to move before it's a deliberate obstruction. But, Rice was stupid. He kicked the ball (I don't care how far) therefore he's now DELIBERATELY stopping the opposition from playing. Yellow card, sent off. It's really that simple.
Sorry but how do you miss a ball being kicked 50 yards and your assistant is holding his flag out for a throw in how did the ball get that far away from the throw in and a brighton player was the last person to touch it because it was an arsenal throw so the ref wouldnt even of had to see him kicked away just put 2 and 2 together
Everything Souness said here was 100% fact.
Simon is Very smart 😂, i love him.
Simon is spot on, arsenal fans in the commenta trying to smear his points but he is absolutely correct
These guys are PAID to debate issues there would be no debates if they all agreed on things they are doing a job !
Simon Jordan is more incompetent than the referees so what do you expect.
"He did not miss it, he chose to ignore it" Simon, cant grasp that😂
Graham is the only one on that show that ever talks Sense… Always!!!
The problem of simon Jordan, he thinks, is so clever than anyone
The second yellow card was in theory for time wasting but who wasted more time? Rice for tapping the ball 3ft , Veltman for kicking Declan Rice and putting him on the floor, the referee for turning a little thing into a big deal or the FA for taking discretion away from referees? If the referees follow the letter of the law the free kick should have been taken at least 3 yards back, the ball should not be rolling and the play 10 yrds from the ball, then the alleged offence by Rice could never happen The blatant violent conduct by Veltman has also somehow been missed as he shouldn't be kicking that hard into Declan Rice even if he had made contact with the ball. We all know he knew what he was doing. You could also say that the ball hit Rice and as he had his back to it he wouldn't know that it hadn't been kicked. It's done nothing for the reputation of the FA. Do the referees only see what they are being told to look for or should they consider the bigger picture? Rules shouldn't choke the game or allow players to kick each other. I think people forget it is a game sometimes.
Says a lot when Souness is making the most sense in the room… 😂💀
Talking too much doesn't mean you talk sense..
Simon this time talking bs. A wrong substitution by manager is not a fact. A referees rule book is fact. There for if the rule book cant be fact throughout a game. Its incompetence. That's a fact. Shame souness talks like a drunk n not quick enough to get his actual point across
The level of whataboutery here is simply crazy.
oh shut up simon mate will ya✌️
So the referee is there to miss the first foul and react to the other foul as the we are loosing!!
Ball was moving
Referee's don't always book a player who pulls a shirt, holds someone back, not even attempting to play the ball! Why not?
This incident was a joke! The Brighton player was attempting to get Rice sent off, and succeeded. Mike Dean commented
that Weltman was being "clever", so that means an opponent should get a card? The ball was moving so not ready to be taken.
Players delay the game multiple times every game. Its crazy how the refs makes these call whenever they see fit.
Is it hard for Simon to say the ref was wrong or baise
how can you even assume that the referee "missed" this situation with pedro kicking the ball. The guy kicked the ball and not to the stands, but to his goalkeeper, so he delayed the game. The referee simply did not want to give a card to the player from Brighton, but gladly gave to the Arsenal player, because Arteta dared to criticize referees.
Was this Simon guy hired to just argue for the sake of. Personally I cant continue with someone with this level of thinking.
Simon speaking facts. That arrogant clown Souness is shameless
Simon always simps for referees.
Im surprised its not pogba's fault
so Simons argument is we are in this situation because of players cheating and rice deserves a red for Veltman cheating????????
Incompetence!!!
How can you compare
Making a substitute
In a football match
With a referee who controls the game with a set of rules
The rules should apply to everyone
Not when you feel like it
The ref was looking directly at pedro
When he booted the ball 50 yards up the pitch he never missed it
He blatantly see it
He chose to take no action
That’s an incompetent choice
As he’s not following the set of rules
That should apply to everyone.
And In terms of making a substitute in a football match
The player may come on
And not follow the managers instructions
That’s something the manager has no control of unless he subs him off
Likewise if the player has a bad game
And scores an own goal
Or misses an open goal to score
That’s the player’s incompetence
The manager has no control over that
It’s an absolute pathetic argument from Simon
Once again
Trying to be clever
Bust just making himself look rather silly
🤦♂️
It’s rather Embarrassing
When you argue just for the sake of being objective
Or just to make an argument
Hopefully he can learn from this
And grow as a person
And stop making himself look
Like the jester on the show 🤦♂️
Simon Jordan would have made a great A-level English Teacher. 😂
Simon Jordan doesn't no whats he is talking about a Ref is paid to know the rules of the game and to be consistent which that Ref FAILED and should never ref a game until he is retrained to a higher level
Talk Shite
veltman wanted to take a freekick so quickly that he rolled it forward 2 metres just to make it take longer
managers are allowed to be incompetent, thats fine, their employer (the club) can give them the sack. if referees are incompetent, there is no consequence, all we get is ex-referees coming out and supporting them. Souness is completely correct in what hes saying, the ref did not deliver consistency, which makes the game unfair, which was his one job
That guy just talking for talking sake.