“Eight Men Out” was a compelling movie about the gambling scandal that shocked baseball, 1919 Black Sox scandal. We take the Philadelphia angle by looking at how the film portrays former Philadelphia Athletic second baseman, Eddie Collins. Eddie Collins was one of the “Clean Sox,” a member of the White Sox team who did not participate in the scheme. So, how accurate did the movie portray Eddie Collins? Watch and find out.
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Research:
Bruce Allardice, “‘Playing Rotten, It Ain’t That Hard To Do’: How the Black Sox Threw the 1920 Pennant,” SABR Spring 2016 Baseball Research Journal. https://sabr.org/journal/article/playing-rotten-it-aint-that-hard-to-do-how-the-black-sox-threw-the-1920-pennant/.
Eddie Collins’ Ten Commandments. https://baseballhistorydaily.com/2015/10/05/collins-ten-commandments/.
Bill Lamb, The Black Sox Scandal, “Scandal on the South Side: The 1919 Chicago White Sox” (SABR, 2015), available at https://sabr.org/journal/article/the-black-sox-scandal/.
Paul Mittermeyer, Eddie Collins, “Scandal on the South Side: The 1919 Chicago White Sox” (SABR, 2015), available at https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/eddie-collins/.
PBS Newshour report on the 100th anniversary of the Black Sox scandal: https://youtu.be/CJLapw_J0-M
SABR, “Eight Myths Out.” https://sabr.org/eight-myths-out.
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27 Comments
At 28:00 minute he talks about throwing the 20 season. But were they not winning at the end of the year ? And there were just 7 left on that team . Chick Gandil the rat , quit after the World Series .
Great topic, well researched, but… you're asking a lot of us to look at you for 35+ minutes. Try to stay off the camera.
The rise of Phillies and the Federal League war raised salaries plus Ban Johnson made a deal with Comiskey to deliver him a star player. That’s why Eddie Collins left for the ChiSox.
This is absolutely fantastic!
Thought I'd come on here for a few minutes and now I'm watching it for the third time. Grew up in North Jersey so I always "hated" Philly teams. But folks from Philly really are fun to hand with and talk sports. Genuine passion for sports! Just don't piss them off! LOL
Love your videos. Music is way too loud in the mix and drowns you out
Those scrubs making fun of a lifetime .356 hitter were idiots. You think they'd try talking to their own bats and seeing if it worked for them.
1919 White Sox were the third highest paid team in the MLB at that time. They fixed the series because of greed.
Really liked this, thank you
How about turning down the background music
I found the video profound, insightful ,analytical , and very enjoyable about this topic. I appreciate the time you took to give this complete view something the movie did not do. Though the protagonist is "Shoe less" Joe Jackson
Nice work
Outstanding video. Great info I didn’t know. Cheers
Hollywood never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
The prohibition amendment had been passed before the 1919 season started, although it did not become effective until early 1920.
Having a suspicion that Weaver was throwing games in 1920 is no proof he did. just because Collins said so. I don't believe he threw games in 1919 either. If Collins knew he was throwing games, whybdidn't he providr anynproof? And then years later he says he didn't know for sure, he just suspected it. 8f he knew, alhad proof and dif nothing sbout it, he was just as guilty as any of the other 8.
The biggest inaccuracy about Collins in this movie is that he's portrayed as the weakest player in the starting lineup when in reality he would've been one of the best. Collins did have a rough series (he only had a slightly better batting average than Chick Gandil) but it's possible that was due to sabotage. Because of his status as a bench player Fred McMullin also acted as the team's advance scout and it's possible that he gave the players a false scouting report to cover up the fix and his involvement by causing the clean players to also play poorly
The whole thing comes down to Comiskey's cheapness and abusive treatment of his players.
Do you have a video exploring the (allegedly) fixed 1914 World Series?
Good video–thank you but 6:53: "19-oh-10"?
Very good video here of the scandal from the other sides view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XYvRaovlRU&t=4021s
The notion that Comiskey was cheap has been disproven so thoroughly that I am surprised you repeat it.
Suspicions surrounding Buck’s play after being implicated the season before is natural…but his numbers that season say otherwise cos they’re stellar.
In regard to Buck Weaver the charges were based on the 1919 Series alone. Even after the 19 series gambling was still very prevalent within the game. The crackdown did not come until after Judge Landis became commissioner. I would not be surprised if other players throughout the league did the same. Once Landis cracked down that was it. You can’t use the 1920 correlation in regard to Weaver.
Enjoyed the video, nice job!
So had the Sox not thrown the 1920 Season would this have been swept under the rug as a team choking? I think what's sad is the players didn't trust Kid Gleason enough to come forward to him. Or maybe they were too ashamed?
Probably the greatest second baseman of all time
Detroit guy. But damn good job