Quality player. Needs to add some more progression to his game, but weirdly Amorim has made him better off the ball by not playing him and he looks a bit quicker too.
soelsome on
He did literally nothing of note. Not a night to remember, and I’ll be surprised if he makes it to the WC squad on the back of that performance.
Intelligent_Read_697 on
It’s a similar complaint with him in the recent few games with us…shows for the ball and progresses it but isn’t a ball hog enough for 8 or profile
BillyCostigan954 on
Was at the game. Kobbie was tidy and decent despite what people are saying. Both him and Anderson struggled in terms of progression. But that’s because Foden and Palmer were shocking. Rogers and Gordon very inefficient too.
He needs to be more progressive. But England had zero movement up front. Full backs tucked in too so there was no space whatsoever.
Hard to draw conclusions though Anderson was better at forcing things/grabbing the game
Fina1Legacy on
If Tuchel watched the United Vs Villa game and still played Rogers on the right my opinion of him has gone way down. Literally did nothing until he was moved centrally and previously banged in 2 against us from the left. Bizarre choices by both Emery and Tuchel.
Do worry about Kobbie, might be between him and Garner. And Garner is in better form right now. But if Mainoo catches fire a bit he’d be better at helping England see games out at the world cup, providing we can get a lead.
Forsaken_Club5310 on
Pretty consistently how he performs for us.
Great under pressure, can pop good short passes and can dribble out of tight spaces.
But his work rate is still a bit suspect, it’s been a lot better rwcently tho. And his biggest vice is he can’t play good solid progressive passes.
If he wants to play that deep he needs to learn to pass through the lines and have a bit more long passes or switches in his repertoire.
Most of our progressive passing during games from deep is through Casemiro
beatles_7 on
His work rate off the ball is pathetic and his passing range is too safe and restricted. I don’t see enough people criticizing these parts of his game.
JosePRizaI on
United fans watches this and sees Pedri instead.
They being creaming on this type nothingness.
Livinginmyshirt on
holding mid role? or CDM? or are they the same thing
InternationalUse7636 on
Hope he doesn’t get selected, add nothing to the national team. Just take a summer break and prepare for next season instead
NotAPoshTwat on
I have to agree with the consensus unpopular opinion and say that Kobbie has been over hyped. The two knocks that Amorim gave about him in pre season still apply, his progressive passing and physicality leave a lot to be desired. If anything he’s regressed from when he broke into the first team. How much of that is down to having been out of the team or ego issues I don’t know.
If we assume we’re actually signing two of the named targets (Anderson, Tonali, Baleba, Wharton), I don’t think he starts over any of them.
9upper9 on
Busquet-esque but can’t progress without a Xavi
Haunting-Ride6027 on
I mean Kobbie is a decent young player but because he is English and has quick turn English media talk about him like the upcoming Iniesta
officiallyjax on
Having watched this, honestly I think that’s as good a performance as he could have put in. Whether that’s good enough for the national team at the World Cup is a different discussion, but in relation to how we view him for the next few years at United, he has a perfectly fine base to want to invest in. He needs competition for his place but from a sense of pushing him to improve further, not relegate him to the bench altogether. Everyone needs to calm down a bit on the extreme opinions.
breadfish350 on
At 1:08, perfect example of the “needs to be better/take more risks”… WTF why play the same square pass to the player facing away from the goal who just passed it to you with vision of the entire play?
However, on Slowing the video down, and as a non Brit so not familiar with nt really, there’s basically six players in two distinct lines in a 10×20 rectangle, zero width or movement. Is this tuchelball? It’s almost hard to say what kobbie actually should have done differently, the positioning and effort from all the players is shocking even for a friendly
dick_nrake on
A lot of the recent discourse around our next midfield purchase included how we can “unlock” Mainoo.
It reminds me a bit of Pogba, but the difference is that Pogba was a bona fide world class players (with his own personal issues).
It baffles me that we would be gambling on our midfield when Mainoo hasn’t shown world class performances on a consistent basis. Sure he’s good, very good on his day in the right circumstances, but it’s too much of a gamble for us to make such a major decision on the potential of unlocking a good squad player, rather than a world class one.
eternali17 on
Kobbie is too heavy. He was never quick but trading what burst he did have for heavy feet was a myopic decision. He’s never going to be a hard man in midfield. Should focus on the things he does do well and actually learning his position because he remains talented and young but he very obviously doesn’t know his role.
laymeinthelouvre on
Tidy and neat passes.Some progressive passes between the lines to link up with 10s instead of just squaring it.
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linked up quite nicely
Quality player. Needs to add some more progression to his game, but weirdly Amorim has made him better off the ball by not playing him and he looks a bit quicker too.
He did literally nothing of note. Not a night to remember, and I’ll be surprised if he makes it to the WC squad on the back of that performance.
It’s a similar complaint with him in the recent few games with us…shows for the ball and progresses it but isn’t a ball hog enough for 8 or profile
Was at the game. Kobbie was tidy and decent despite what people are saying. Both him and Anderson struggled in terms of progression. But that’s because Foden and Palmer were shocking. Rogers and Gordon very inefficient too.
He needs to be more progressive. But England had zero movement up front. Full backs tucked in too so there was no space whatsoever.
Hard to draw conclusions though Anderson was better at forcing things/grabbing the game
If Tuchel watched the United Vs Villa game and still played Rogers on the right my opinion of him has gone way down. Literally did nothing until he was moved centrally and previously banged in 2 against us from the left. Bizarre choices by both Emery and Tuchel.
Do worry about Kobbie, might be between him and Garner. And Garner is in better form right now. But if Mainoo catches fire a bit he’d be better at helping England see games out at the world cup, providing we can get a lead.
Pretty consistently how he performs for us.
Great under pressure, can pop good short passes and can dribble out of tight spaces.
But his work rate is still a bit suspect, it’s been a lot better rwcently tho. And his biggest vice is he can’t play good solid progressive passes.
If he wants to play that deep he needs to learn to pass through the lines and have a bit more long passes or switches in his repertoire.
Most of our progressive passing during games from deep is through Casemiro
His work rate off the ball is pathetic and his passing range is too safe and restricted. I don’t see enough people criticizing these parts of his game.
United fans watches this and sees Pedri instead.
They being creaming on this type nothingness.
holding mid role? or CDM? or are they the same thing
Hope he doesn’t get selected, add nothing to the national team. Just take a summer break and prepare for next season instead
I have to agree with the consensus unpopular opinion and say that Kobbie has been over hyped. The two knocks that Amorim gave about him in pre season still apply, his progressive passing and physicality leave a lot to be desired. If anything he’s regressed from when he broke into the first team. How much of that is down to having been out of the team or ego issues I don’t know.
If we assume we’re actually signing two of the named targets (Anderson, Tonali, Baleba, Wharton), I don’t think he starts over any of them.
Busquet-esque but can’t progress without a Xavi
I mean Kobbie is a decent young player but because he is English and has quick turn English media talk about him like the upcoming Iniesta
Having watched this, honestly I think that’s as good a performance as he could have put in. Whether that’s good enough for the national team at the World Cup is a different discussion, but in relation to how we view him for the next few years at United, he has a perfectly fine base to want to invest in. He needs competition for his place but from a sense of pushing him to improve further, not relegate him to the bench altogether. Everyone needs to calm down a bit on the extreme opinions.
At 1:08, perfect example of the “needs to be better/take more risks”… WTF why play the same square pass to the player facing away from the goal who just passed it to you with vision of the entire play?
However, on Slowing the video down, and as a non Brit so not familiar with nt really, there’s basically six players in two distinct lines in a 10×20 rectangle, zero width or movement. Is this tuchelball? It’s almost hard to say what kobbie actually should have done differently, the positioning and effort from all the players is shocking even for a friendly
A lot of the recent discourse around our next midfield purchase included how we can “unlock” Mainoo.
It reminds me a bit of Pogba, but the difference is that Pogba was a bona fide world class players (with his own personal issues).
It baffles me that we would be gambling on our midfield when Mainoo hasn’t shown world class performances on a consistent basis. Sure he’s good, very good on his day in the right circumstances, but it’s too much of a gamble for us to make such a major decision on the potential of unlocking a good squad player, rather than a world class one.
Kobbie is too heavy. He was never quick but trading what burst he did have for heavy feet was a myopic decision. He’s never going to be a hard man in midfield. Should focus on the things he does do well and actually learning his position because he remains talented and young but he very obviously doesn’t know his role.
Tidy and neat passes.Some progressive passes between the lines to link up with 10s instead of just squaring it.
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