I feel Gana Gueye would be a great signing for Everton’s midfield. If he chooses not to wear a shirt or arm band for a political cause, he should not be vilified or criminalised. Thankyou for this honest post, I love your videos keep them going
Let’s just get him signed What his beliefs are has nothing to do with football if it’s a law of his religion or his country then good on him for sticking to it I am against gay’s as I am from the day’s where they stayed where they should have and never went mincing around everywhere
I agree with you Rose. I believe in freedom of conscience / belief / thought. I think players should be allowed to express their support of social justice issues as individuals, but it makes me uncomfortable when players are essentially forced to promote a political cause.
As others have already commented, it dilutes the message if everyone on the pitch is making the same point. To quote Wilfried Zaha on taking the knee, it just becomes wallpaper. Someone else has commented about how corporations roll out their pride colours during Pride month, which I believe is called "pridewashing". It doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing anything about the underlying issues.
I am tired of being forced to accept this pride crap. I am a full blooded heterosexual man. I have nothing against gay men or woman, but don't force it on me. We have pride marches, pride months etc. but we never have straight marches, straight months because that would be homophobic. We don't have people's lives matter, but we have black lives matter. I'm not a racist but I am really tired of all this crap. I don't care what colour you are. If you are good for Everton then you are good for me.
he can't be blamed for not putting the jersey on..just look at the rules in his country .he would have found it really hard to go to senegal.. irrespective of all that he is too good a player for everton to turn down for his act ..look at the footballing side he will offer levels to everton .. & everton need all the talent in the world right now .. or else they will be in trouble again !!
Well said, we also don’t know if he faces prison time or being disallowed to represent his country again if he wore it. Not only that, people forcing someone to wear and represent something they don’t believe in is the opposite of progress
I think that was a very fair and reasoned take rose. I’ll admit I’ve struggled a lot with this one as someone who passionately supports LGBTQ rights, but you’re right (and brave since some are too afraid to say it) that most African and Middle Eastern countries, and Muslims don’t tolerate these things like the uk, France and Ireland (where I’m from) do. I think my position now is if we sign him he should be told he doesn’t have to wear symbols of support if he doesn’t want too, but any direct discrimination from him of someone connected to Everton who is LGBTQ will lead to us sacking him. The last thing I’d say is if we’re taking this approach to LGBTQ then the same should be applied to black lives matter, where there has been a fair amount of shaming of those who don’t take the knee or support it. gay rights are as important as any other rights, So if we accept players like gana from culturally conservative areas don’t want to wear a rainbow armband, then those same players and others have no right to feel aggrieved if players don’t take the knee. It’s applying the same standard. Sorry for the lengthy comment, looking forward to the season ahead Rose. COYB 💙💙
With the wording of some of the support he received after its no wonder gay footballers struggle to come out in football. If they don't have nothing nice to say then they shouldn't say it
People need to wake up and realize how they're being manipulated by the media, a media that's almost totally controlled by two companies (Blackrock and Vanguard) with combined assets of 18 Trillion! You're being constantly told to support 'this' and condemn 'that', and most just follow along like sheep rather than doing their own research. Celtic were fined £160,000 by EUFA because their fans waved Palestinian flags when they played an Israeli team, and were told that "there's no place in football for politics". Strangely, at an Everton match recently people were waving blue any yellow flags and it was not only condoned but encouraged. Why? Why are certain issues promoted and others ignored, and who chooses which gets blanket coverage and which never appears in mainstream media? In Saudi Arabia you can potentially be executed for being gay, AND they have been guilty of genocide against the people of Yemen for the last 5 years, yet they've just (indirectly) purchased a Premiership football team. So why don't they condemn Saudi Arabia with the same enthusiasm they condemn Gueye? Is refusing to wear a rainbow shirt worse than execution and genocide? Apparently it is if the double standards of the media are to be believed. There should be no place in football for ANY political expression, ANY ideology or ANY sexual orientation beliefs. It should just be about two teams kicking a football, that's all.
Very good player. Very uneducated man. Welcome him in for football reasons. However, make an official club statement that we disagree strongly with his position.
Gueye has been forced into a lose lose situation but has found a way to remove himself from it without actively saying anything inflammatory or insulting to any group. Many would not have shown such restraint when being forced to stand against their own beliefs and the religion and laws in the country, they were born and raised in. Had he worn something with a message attacking any group then that would be a different story, but that is not the case here. Surely at some point we must ask ourselves, "is it right to persecute somebody from another culture because they wouldn't let us force them to actively and publicly support an opinion prevalent in our society but not theirs?" If the person is not infringing on anybody's rights or attacking any individual or group then my personal opinion is, we could allow them to avoid the situation, if it is done quietly, sensitively and respectfully. In terms of the football side of things: I would be very happy to see him come back for a season or 2 as I feel he will make a big difference.
I think I'm more worried that Gana is about to turn 33 and will be a slower version of the guy we sold. Buying older players never seems to work out for us and we we end up paying a lot of money to watch a once-great player ride off into the sunset.
Religion is going to be the downfall of humanity. If it was a racist view of his, should we also respect his decision? Religion needs to mocked as the pure nonsense it is, not given any hint of respectability.
Great thoughtful analysis, Rose! I am so grateful for your channel 🙂 So excited to have Gana Gueye back!!! Fingers crossed we get the deal over the line soon!
You handled this issue skilfully rose , I agree with most of what you say , apart from bringing racism into schools ( yes that is what what would be happening) children are not inherently racist , in fact they have no concept of racism, if we tell them it is something that needs stamping out then you are promoting racism by reification
Absolute respect for your words today @Everton Rose. Debate over dictate is how we learn and grow as people. Being of any religion or sexual orientation is a personal choice and should never be pushed down other's throats without the right to respond being accepted. It is not for others to tell us how we should think but that being said….now finally subbed, thumbs-up to this vid and demand the rest of those watching follow suit or risk me cancelling em 😉
I just wish they'd stop politicising football but lots of 'charities' make a living out of it so it will never stop. There's talk the kneeling might stop though so that's good. I am neutral on your video. Nice & nuanced but your overall support for the politicisation of football doesn't sit right with me. For many, many years it was working class escapism. Far too much champagne socialist nonsense permeating the sport now.
What a careful, thoughtful , balanced insight which is totally relevant to the reputation of the player and therefore legitimate to discuss in this rare case. I agree with you, and your opinion is backed by UK law. I draw these sensitive issues back to the UK system of balancing human rights. Here, under the Equality Act 2010, issues like Biological Sex status, and Religious Belief, and rational Philosophical Belief, are just as protected as Sexuality (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual) and Gender Reassignment (ie Trans) or Racial/Ethnic minoroties. So you cannot in UK law compel someone to believe in something which they reasonably oppose because of their reasonable and sincerely held beliefs (including religion). And in law you should not discriminate against a person , in their employment, by compelling them through sanctions or threats to actively promote a belief or life choice which is opposed to their reasonable fundamental beliefs (religious or philosophical). Equally the protected person must not discriminate or abuse another person or persons because , say, they are in the LGBT group, or are a particular race or ethnicity….and " abuse " does not include a simple refusal to agree with a contested belief or life choice. On this basis , no employee in UK. law should be compelled to display LGBT rainbow colours, or to take the knee, if it contradicts their legitimately held beliefs which are protected by the Equality Act 2010. On this basis in law, and in fairness, as an Everton fan, I welcome the return of this excellent player who received such great reviews in the past, but I want to see his legal rights protected by Everton and given moral support by fans should he be victimised. Now back to the football 😂……
Well said, Rose, agree with you completely. The lad has been brought up in a country and a culture which regards people who are gay as not only being a bit weird but as criminals. It is not surprising that (wrongly) in my opinion, he refused to wear the rainbow colour shirt and given his background and beliefs to ostracise him is unfair. The truth is that moral and religious beliefs are the product of the way people are brought up. I won’t question anyones religious beliefs or lack of them but I was brought up in a family where belief in god was a choice rather than a statement of fact. My father was an atheist, my mother had me christened C of E but eventually I decided to be an atheist as well.
The truth is that religious belief continues to be held by many people worldwide because they were brought up that way. The other truth is that religious belief also carries with it strong moral messages which apart from the basics can vary considerably. Gana was brought up believing that being gay is immoral. This isn’t just confined to many Moslems, a lot of Christians here agree and a lot more over up in the USA. It is in tolerant and fundamentally incorrect but it is what it is. I am non judgemental as much as I can be because I think understanding attitudes and ideas of others is the way forward along with education. Just shouting from the roof tops and wanting to ban everything in sight is not. Sometimes we need laws to prevent the worse effects of discrimination but passing a law won’t change people’s attitudes.
We all like and want quick and easy solutions but most problems are far more complex. Of course, we should condemn anywhere that treats gays as criminals but homosexual sex between two men was illegal here until 1967 which is at least in my memory, it took 10 years to implement the recommendations of the Wolfenden Report. And it was certainly not very long ago that the Premier league (correct me if I am wrong) requested that at every match teams should wear something that would recognise gay rights but Everton was the only team who were bothered.
Sorry about all that but this needs to be said. I would implore all Evertonians to understand and be tolerant of Gana even those who support gay rights. He is a fantastic player in his position and we never really replaced him. He is exactly what we need in the centre of midfield and I for one am made up. He wants to come and let’s hope we can get him fully fit sooner rather than later.
Football is being used to address issues ignored by Governments and the football authorities are a joke. Newcastle Utd are owned by a Country that sanctions murder and genocide.
Sadly i think it’s sad he has to hide behind his country’s narrow minded beliefs? Imagine one world one people, if questioned he needs to say ? Nothing to do with religion just we are all equal and love has no barriers? An excellent video!
Gana was put in a difficult position. He has family back in Senegal, so he would have to be very careful with his stance on the subject so as not to place them in potential jeopardy.
Idrissa is coming from a different culture, so I understand his reluctance to support something he does not wish to wholly endorse. That being said, supporting the LGBTQ community is NOT a political message and his supporting the community could make a difference a young man or woman's life who may be struggling with their sexuality. On the subject of being pressurized to support something you are opposed to, I identify with Idrissa in regard to our club's blatant and explicit support of the Ukraine at this time. From a political point, I strongly oppose EFC adorning the Ukrainian flag on shirts and even on the website given that that country is responsible for 14,000 dead in the last eight years in the Donbass region and has an endemic far-right problem. Additionally, from a purely selfish, Evertonian point of view, our stance on the conflict in the Donbass has lead to financial unrest at the club i.e. Usmanov exit. Going forward, I think it would benefit football as a whole to avoid collective support of certain hot issues such as the support of LGBTQ, the Poppy, or the Ukraine as they are not necessarily positions all fans and players identify with or wish to endorse.
This whole woke, progressive identity politics era we are in just seems to be set up to create division to me rather than bringing people together. The whole LGBTQ+ idea is rather offensive in that it assumes all gay and trans people etc… are the same….lumping them all together in the LGBTQ+ box as if they all think and act the same. Surely we need to base our judgements on the individual. As Martin Luther King said "judge people by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin" (or what gender or sexuality they are). This progressive agenda just seems to be highlighting people's differences and igniting animosity between groups.
Like I said when i raised this I am OK for gana to come back but it depends on how serious you think it is. To me, as a father of a gay child, it is ver important. To say it is OK because his religions says it is OK is not OK.Catholics used to burn people at the stake.Incas used to sacrifice children.Hopefully extreme religions will moderate over time and let us not forget there just as many gay muslims,afgans senegalese as there are in every country.i am luck to live in thailand where this is not even an issue
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I did my best with this one to be as objective as possible. I'm looking forward to purely talking football in the next one about Gana Gueye!
I feel Gana Gueye would be a great signing for Everton’s midfield. If he chooses not to wear a shirt or arm band for a political cause, he should not be vilified or criminalised. Thankyou for this honest post, I love your videos keep them going
Let’s just get him signed
What his beliefs are has nothing to do with football if it’s a law of his religion or his country then good on him for sticking to it
I am against gay’s as I am from the day’s where they stayed where they should have and never went mincing around everywhere
I agree with you Rose. I believe in freedom of conscience / belief / thought. I think players should be allowed to express their support of social justice issues as individuals, but it makes me uncomfortable when players are essentially forced to promote a political cause.
As others have already commented, it dilutes the message if everyone on the pitch is making the same point. To quote Wilfried Zaha on taking the knee, it just becomes wallpaper. Someone else has commented about how corporations roll out their pride colours during Pride month, which I believe is called "pridewashing". It doesn't necessarily mean that they're doing anything about the underlying issues.
"Religious Beliefs" a convenient excuse to hate and discriminate against another human being. Good going Religion!
I am tired of being forced to accept this pride crap. I am a full blooded heterosexual man. I have nothing against gay men or woman, but don't force it on me. We have pride marches, pride months etc. but we never have straight marches, straight months because that would be homophobic. We don't have people's lives matter, but we have black lives matter. I'm not a racist but I am really tired of all this crap. I don't care what colour you are. If you are good for Everton then you are good for me.
he can't be blamed for not putting the jersey on..just look at the rules in his country .he would have found it really hard to go to senegal.. irrespective of all that he is too good a player for everton to turn down for his act ..look at the footballing side he will offer levels to everton .. & everton need all the talent in the world right now .. or else they will be in trouble again !!
Well said, we also don’t know if he faces prison time or being disallowed to represent his country again if he wore it. Not only that, people forcing someone to wear and represent something they don’t believe in is the opposite of progress
I think that was a very fair and reasoned take rose. I’ll admit I’ve struggled a lot with this one as someone who passionately supports LGBTQ rights, but you’re right (and brave since some are too afraid to say it) that most African and Middle Eastern countries, and Muslims don’t tolerate these things like the uk, France and Ireland (where I’m from) do. I think my position now is if we sign him he should be told he doesn’t have to wear symbols of support if he doesn’t want too, but any direct discrimination from him of someone connected to Everton who is LGBTQ will lead to us sacking him.
The last thing I’d say is if we’re taking this approach to LGBTQ then the same should be applied to black lives matter, where there has been a fair amount of shaming of those who don’t take the knee or support it. gay rights are as important as any other rights, So if we accept players like gana from culturally conservative areas don’t want to wear a rainbow armband, then those same players and others have no right to feel aggrieved if players don’t take the knee. It’s applying the same standard.
Sorry for the lengthy comment, looking forward to the season ahead Rose. COYB 💙💙
James McClean refused to wear the red poppy because he's Irish yet no one forced him to wear it
With the wording of some of the support he received after its no wonder gay footballers struggle to come out in football. If they don't have nothing nice to say then they shouldn't say it
People need to wake up and realize how they're being manipulated by the media, a media that's almost totally controlled by two companies (Blackrock and Vanguard) with combined assets of 18 Trillion! You're being constantly told to support 'this' and condemn 'that', and most just follow along like sheep rather than doing their own research.
Celtic were fined £160,000 by EUFA because their fans waved Palestinian flags when they played an Israeli team, and were told that "there's no place in football for politics".
Strangely, at an Everton match recently people were waving blue any yellow flags and it was not only condoned but encouraged. Why? Why are certain issues promoted and others ignored, and who chooses which gets blanket coverage and which never appears in mainstream media?
In Saudi Arabia you can potentially be executed for being gay, AND they have been guilty of genocide against the people of Yemen for the last 5 years, yet they've just (indirectly) purchased a Premiership football team.
So why don't they condemn Saudi Arabia with the same enthusiasm they condemn Gueye? Is refusing to wear a rainbow shirt worse than execution and genocide? Apparently it is if the double standards of the media are to be believed.
There should be no place in football for ANY political expression, ANY ideology or ANY sexual orientation beliefs.
It should just be about two teams kicking a football, that's all.
I want us to sign Riqui Puig
Very good player. Very uneducated man. Welcome him in for football reasons. However, make an official club statement that we disagree strongly with his position.
Well done, Rose.
Gueye has been forced into a lose lose situation but has found a way to remove himself from it without actively saying anything inflammatory or insulting to any group. Many would not have shown such restraint when being forced to stand against their own beliefs and the religion and laws in the country, they were born and raised in. Had he worn something with a message attacking any group then that would be a different story, but that is not the case here. Surely at some point we must ask ourselves, "is it right to persecute somebody from another culture because they wouldn't let us force them to actively and publicly support an opinion prevalent in our society but not theirs?" If the person is not infringing on anybody's rights or attacking any individual or group then my personal opinion is, we could allow them to avoid the situation, if it is done quietly, sensitively and respectfully. In terms of the football side of things: I would be very happy to see him come back for a season or 2 as I feel he will make a big difference.
I think I'm more worried that Gana is about to turn 33 and will be a slower version of the guy we sold. Buying older players never seems to work out for us and we we end up paying a lot of money to watch a once-great player ride off into the sunset.
You have to respect Gana views also.
Religion is going to be the downfall of humanity. If it was a racist view of his, should we also respect his decision? Religion needs to mocked as the pure nonsense it is, not given any hint of respectability.
Great thoughtful analysis, Rose! I am so grateful for your channel 🙂
So excited to have Gana Gueye back!!! Fingers crossed we get the deal over the line soon!
I think you treaded that issue concisely and objectively, well done.
Agree with your analysis, Rose.
Re. The actual transfer, we really never replaced Gana. I would be delighted to see him back in blue.
Stop giving a sensible and reasoned argument Rose. It's not wanted here on the internet!
We should be careful not to discriminate against someone because he has a different opinion,
You handled this issue skilfully rose , I agree with most of what you say , apart from bringing racism into schools ( yes that is what what would be happening) children are not inherently racist , in fact they have no concept of racism, if we tell them it is something that needs stamping out then you are promoting racism by reification
Anyone reading this , il get rid of racism right now just relabel it stupidity, there sorted so simple ! , in your own mind relabel it Stupidity
No harm done by gueye he also has rights which need to be respected 👍
Hi Rose🌹Well put,everybody has a choice, and I would be happy to see him back.👍
Freedom of choice
Absolute respect for your words today @Everton Rose. Debate over dictate is how we learn and grow as people. Being of any religion or sexual orientation is a personal choice and should never be pushed down other's throats without the right to respond being accepted. It is not for others to tell us how we should think but that being said….now finally subbed, thumbs-up to this vid and demand the rest of those watching follow suit or risk me cancelling em 😉
I haven’t watched any of the video and I’m going to comment… Yes, Rebel!
What a great video i am 100% support you and agree with everything you talk about Rose well done x
I just wish they'd stop politicising football but lots of 'charities' make a living out of it so it will never stop. There's talk the kneeling might stop though so that's good. I am neutral on your video. Nice & nuanced but your overall support for the politicisation of football doesn't sit right with me. For many, many years it was working class escapism. Far too much champagne socialist nonsense permeating the sport now.
👍💙👊💙👌
What a careful, thoughtful , balanced insight which is totally relevant to the reputation of the player and therefore legitimate to discuss in this rare case. I agree with you, and your opinion is backed by UK law. I draw these sensitive issues back to the UK system of balancing human rights. Here, under the Equality Act 2010, issues like Biological Sex status, and Religious Belief, and rational Philosophical Belief, are just as protected as Sexuality (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual) and Gender Reassignment (ie Trans) or Racial/Ethnic minoroties. So you cannot in UK law compel someone to believe in something which they reasonably oppose because of their reasonable and sincerely held beliefs (including religion). And in law you should not discriminate against a person , in their employment, by compelling them through sanctions or threats to actively promote a belief or life choice which is opposed to their reasonable fundamental beliefs (religious or philosophical). Equally the protected person must not discriminate or abuse another person or persons because , say, they are in the LGBT group, or are a particular race or ethnicity….and " abuse " does not include a simple refusal to agree with a contested belief or life choice. On this basis , no employee in UK. law should be compelled to display LGBT rainbow colours, or to take the knee, if it contradicts their legitimately held beliefs which are protected by the Equality Act 2010. On this basis in law, and in fairness, as an Everton fan, I welcome the return of this excellent player who received such great reviews in the past, but I want to see his legal rights protected by Everton and given moral support by fans should he be victimised. Now back to the football 😂……
Well said, Rose, agree with you completely. The lad has been brought up in a country and a culture which regards people who are gay as not only being a bit weird but as criminals. It is not surprising that (wrongly) in my opinion, he refused to wear the rainbow colour shirt and given his background and beliefs to ostracise him is unfair. The truth is that moral and religious beliefs are the product of the way people are brought up. I won’t question anyones religious beliefs or lack of them but I was brought up in a family where belief in god was a choice rather than a statement of fact. My father was an atheist, my mother had me christened C of E but eventually I decided to be an atheist as well.
The truth is that religious belief continues to be held by many people worldwide because they were brought up that way. The other truth is that religious belief also carries with it strong moral messages which apart from the basics can vary considerably. Gana was brought up believing that being gay is immoral. This isn’t just confined to many Moslems, a lot of Christians here agree and a lot more over up in the USA. It is in tolerant and fundamentally incorrect but it is what it is. I am non judgemental as much as I can be because I think understanding attitudes and ideas of others is the way forward along with education. Just shouting from the roof tops and wanting to ban everything in sight is not. Sometimes we need laws to prevent the worse effects of discrimination but passing a law won’t change people’s attitudes.
We all like and want quick and easy solutions but most problems are far more complex. Of course, we should condemn anywhere that treats gays as criminals but homosexual sex between two men was illegal here until 1967 which is at least in my memory, it took 10 years to implement the recommendations of the Wolfenden Report. And it was certainly not very long ago that the Premier league (correct me if I am wrong) requested that at every match teams should wear something that would recognise gay rights but Everton was the only team who were bothered.
Sorry about all that but this needs to be said. I would implore all Evertonians to understand and be tolerant of Gana even those who support gay rights. He is a fantastic player in his position and we never really replaced him. He is exactly what we need in the centre of midfield and I for one am made up. He wants to come and let’s hope we can get him fully fit sooner rather than later.
Football is being used to address issues ignored by Governments and the football authorities are a joke. Newcastle Utd are owned by a Country that sanctions murder and genocide.
Sadly i think it’s sad he has to hide behind his country’s narrow minded beliefs? Imagine one world one people, if questioned he needs to say ? Nothing to do with religion just we are all equal and love has no barriers? An excellent video!
Politics and religion should be excluded from all sport! Just like the old days!
👏🏾 well done Rose!
Well put Rose 👍
Really well put out and left me thinking a lot about this one!!!
Thanks for the info
Gana was put in a difficult position. He has family back in Senegal, so he would have to be very careful with his stance on the subject so as not to place them in potential jeopardy.
Well said rose
You look amazing x
Idrissa is coming from a different culture, so I understand his reluctance to support something he does not wish to wholly endorse. That being said, supporting the LGBTQ community is NOT a political message and his supporting the community could make a difference a young man or woman's life who may be struggling with their sexuality.
On the subject of being pressurized to support something you are opposed to, I identify with Idrissa in regard to our club's blatant and explicit support of the Ukraine at this time. From a political point, I strongly oppose EFC adorning the Ukrainian flag on shirts and even on the website given that that country is responsible for 14,000 dead in the last eight years in the Donbass region and has an endemic far-right problem. Additionally, from a purely selfish, Evertonian point of view, our stance on the conflict in the Donbass has lead to financial unrest at the club i.e. Usmanov exit.
Going forward, I think it would benefit football as a whole to avoid collective support of certain hot issues such as the support of LGBTQ, the Poppy, or the Ukraine as they are not necessarily positions all fans and players identify with or wish to endorse.
Cheikhou Kouyaté also backed him
This whole woke, progressive identity politics era we are in just seems to be set up to create division to me rather than bringing people together. The whole LGBTQ+ idea is rather offensive in that it assumes all gay and trans people etc… are the same….lumping them all together in the LGBTQ+ box as if they all think and act the same. Surely we need to base our judgements on the individual. As Martin Luther King said "judge people by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin" (or what gender or sexuality they are). This progressive agenda just seems to be highlighting people's differences and igniting animosity between groups.
Like I said when i raised this I am OK for gana to come back but it depends on how serious you think it is. To me, as a father of a gay child, it is ver important. To say it is OK because his religions says it is OK is not OK.Catholics used to burn people at the stake.Incas used to sacrifice children.Hopefully extreme religions will moderate over time and let us not forget there just as many gay muslims,afgans senegalese as there are in every country.i am luck to live in thailand where this is not even an issue