In the final round of THE PLAYERS Championship 2022, Daniel Berger and playing partners Viktor Hovland and Joel Dahmen have a dispute about where Daniel Berger’s approach shot crossed into the water on the par-5 16th hole.
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46 Comments
So this is about "angles" and perceptions. Other two players/caddies standing only 20 yards or so LEFT of them. But, that completely changes your view, your perception of the shot. Cool video
For the ball to have crossed where Berger wanted to originally drop, the ball literally would have had to make a 90 degree turn to the right. He wanted to drop in a place where the only way it could have crossed the margin of the hazard would have been if it had hit the ground and bounced into the water. Period.
Berger don’t hit it in the water and this won’t be an issue
ㅎㅎ 내기골프의 한장면 같네.. 저러다가 다시는 란딩 같이 안하지 ㅎ
Hovland and Dahmen were not standing behind Berger and their line of site would be different. Berger has the best vantage to know where the ball crossed. If I would have been Berger I would have dropped where I saw it cross. Dropping in a "compromised" location should be a penalty, because it was not the correct spot.
My God. Pick a point and move forward!!
I’m not a fan if berger, i actually like hovland more but i have to agree with berger a bit. He has the best angle cause he hit the dang ball. Joel and victors perspective are skewed cause they are left and the ball is cutting. They’ll see a straighter ball flight. Berger’s ball definitely started left and then cut, not at the pin with a slight cut. Berger explained it exactly as the tracer showed. I don’t think it crossed at the red stake but it was certainly further up than that grass bunker. Like berger said he’s 100% sure it did not cross there. His ball didn’t miss the green by much, if his ball crossed where hovland said, with that much cut on the ball it would have hit the water much further right.
Anyone who’s played enough golf knows has experience situations like this where one player see it one way because of their perception. It’s no different from viewing a putt from one angle and thinking it’s right to left but it’s actually left to right when you view it from a different angle.
I think the compromise was fair at the end of the day.
I'm not a fan of Berger never have been! Hes tried a few dodgy things recently.. delighted Hovland called him out
Its clear the ball didnt even get wet. It landet smoothly on the green and roles in the cup. Berger was a 100% right
Watch the tracer I’m more on Berger’s side
IMHO this is dumb, they have video replay and a course official there but they let competitors make ruling decisions based on fleeting memories. To me that is 100% unacceptable when millions of dollars are on the line. Have a booth review or give the course official a tablet with access to the video footage. rule enforcement should not be in the competitors hands at all. can you imagine that in any other sport?
I'm a big fan of both if these guys. Both good dudes. With the line if flight I'm with Victor. Following the shot tracer, it crossed the hazard line maybe even farter back from where he dropped from. Daniel in my opinion was wrong, but that's just MY opinion. I believe it should have been back at the curve
Let's watch it again from the wrong angle. You know, where we don't see it cross the line. As opposed to the angle behind the player, where we do.
Hovland standing his ground like a boss!
Berger was right!! If you do screen shots with the ball tracer on the screen you see it starts well left of the flag. Really almost left side of green. It crossed no doubt 75-85 yards from the pin.
This is similar to the Asch phenomenon. Convincing a person they saw something different based on social pressure. And Berger was having none of it. As one the crowd there for the shot, the majority agreed with Berger. I still love Hovland!! PGA rule is a good one. Decide on a Compromise location and move on. 🙂
I have never watched an argument over a ball crossing the water hazard before, it’s very strange. The player who hit the shot needs to place the ball where they believe the ball went into the water. If they get penalized or disqualified, that’s on them not anyone in their group. It’s great to help but don’t forget about pace of play for each shot and the hole. Players are timed when playing golf in tournaments and they need to play faster, not slower.
Patrick reed said it was on the green..
The problem was Berger was trying to drop way too close to the green and didn’t consult before choosing his spot . Looking at hole graphic and tracer, Hovland and Dahmen were clearly wrong in their assessment on both the start line and crossing point. That said the compromise drop spot was the best, most fair outcome. Kudos to rules official for mediating this tricky situation without unnecessary drama.
Dahmen is the man!
Berger cut that and the other two said he hit a straight shot. obviously he cut it. hope he got an apology from the other two eventually.
If you’re blaming your entire argument off of shot tracer, you’re wrong. The ball starts more middle of the green and cuts. I think both of them were slightly wrong, should’ve been moved up 10ish more yards IMO.
You claimed a fade, the replays clearly show a straight into a slice.
Top stuff guys! However we need it all in 4k
They have tracers for the first one but not the second one from above? All that tech and they can't figure it out
Bring in video reviews!
I’m surprised Berger was so chippy about this. Does he really think Hovland and Dahmen have it out for him? At one point he said “these two to the official” like they’re conspiring against him. And it’s not even like Berger is that fiery of a guy. The whole interaction was weird. Could you imagine substituting Berger for Horschel🤣
hovland is spot on
Berger was more correct than the other two. Shot tracer shows he started the ball well left of the pin and it cut big time. Those two are morons
questions need to be asked on if hovland should be able to dictate the location of the drop when him & Berger are so closely in contention – surely this rule opens up situations for cheating
Berger is a tool, just take the drop and make your par Roy!! Hovland I think is correct in this point from what I saw as well! Daniel I never took a bad drop in my life Berger!!
None of his business , should have kept out of it , he was not in line with the shot
You can see the tracer shadow, it for sure crossed at that bunker and not 40 yards past it.
So based on video of shot I couldn't tell where it crossed .thought they had Marshall's in position to watch where it crosses ..I didn't realize without video evidence it's up to players to hash it out..
Homer Simpson:"Mmmm! Daniel Burger!"
"I'm gonna drop here for the sake of you guys, but your wrong"…. maybe you should've just hit a better shot guy.
No way in the world it crossed by the stake! lol
You would think that there would be a camera stationed I'm case of that.
“I have never taken a bad drop”. That was the moment I knew he was lying
Unfortunate that we can't see it without the tracer … tracers aren't 100% accurate. Not saying Berger is right … if anything, he has 2 guys that were right there saying he is wrong.
Looking at the camera angle, the ball started just inside the lamppost, which was in line with the left 3rd of the 16th green. It was a fade/cut… I had it entering the hazard further forward than that grass mound/grass bunker, which Hovland said. I wouldn't have been happy either that someone on completely the wrong angle dragging me back 100yds to drop. 🤷♂️
Huge respect for Joel Dahmen here. He read the situation perfectly and could see Berger was getting defensive and Viktor getting nervous about calling Berger out so he went ahead and straight up called Berger out. Sometimes the Big Dog needs to make himself heard and Big Joel did it perfectly. You have to protect the field. Feelings come second
I still wish vik would stay with this style ping hat. Idk why he does the more flat looking brim
Berger is a cheater. Lost all respect and should be kicked off tour.
The caddies need to step in and help out more here as well. It’s literally their job to watch.