A month or two ago, I was thinking we should wait until the end of the season. Now? I don’t know anymore… The more I heard him giving excuses, the more I thought about ten Hag.
lfcbatwho on
‘Need to’ and ‘will’, are unfortunately two very different things, and one does not necessarily lead to another
boianski on
Yep.
This team is unrecognizable.
Acoupstix on
Ive been thinking about slots job recently. And comparing it to the 2 times jurgen made us suffer through shit.
Now i think 1 of those has context of injury armageddon. And so its hard to compare.
But the 22/23 season was actually hell. And it has a lot of similar tropes.
Now there is no accounting for the loss of diogo or comparing it. So we have to look at it in a vacuum. I think thats largely more unfair to slot than anyone.
But….
That summer you sold your talismanic LW because you didnt think he was worth a pay bump.
You sold a striker that maybe never fully delivered on the promise but did score big goals in big moments to earn a level of cult hero status. But also has experience winning things. You replace him with a very expensive and exciting striker.
You sold a Midfielder that wasnt really getting enough play time but always put a shit in when called upon. He also had versatility across multiple positions. And again had experience winning things.
But you end up winning only half of your league games. End up 5th. Which is the highest you reach in the table all season.
You get thumped 4-1 away at napoli to open the CL group which means you finish second and draw madrid and get thumped at home 5-2 after leading 2-0 in 15 minutes.
Go out the fa cup 4th round at brighton to gomez twerkgate late winner. Out the leage cup at city in the 4th round.
Its a fucking shit show that you only remember for the outrageous one offs the team had. 7-0. 9-0 bournemouth. Salahs late winner off alisson at home to city.
But in there….
– draw freshly promoted fulham (after having beat city 3-1)
– Draw home to palace
– drew brighton at home 3-3 after clawing back 2-0 down inside 20 and going up 3-2.
– lose away to forrest (freshly promoted)
– lose at home to leeds (end up relegated)
– lose 3-0 at wolves
– lose away to freshly promoted bournemouth
Now the reason i stir all this up is….
Ive been seeing a lot of people posting videos or stats from peak jurgen liverpool. And in a manner of like “we are so far away from this”. Like were miles off getting back there. And also as if jurgen didn’t make us go through some absolute shit where….
We all asked for tactical changes. Wondered why certain players didnt get more of a look in. Whether the system had been found out.
Questioned whether we shouldve kept mane. Was upgrading from divock to nunez worth it? Minamino couldve been useful.
Had players doing fucking outrageous levels of wtf was that.
Jurgen survived it because he has the sort of once in a lifetime sort of good will you get at a club. He is a shankley/ferguson “built the club into greatness from the mud” character.
It is impossible for slot to have even a 10th of this goodwill. However…. he won a league with a team that jurgen himself had pooing all over itself at the crucial moment of his last season….
2 losses to united and a swift butt kicking by atalanta derailed a quad shout with the utmost speed. The fa cup in particular being at the hands of the tactical idea of go for it no matter what (we got countered off a last minute corner where we shouldve been the only team allowed to create a chance with the time left). And id argue that was hyper accelerated by the emotional reaction of knowing it was klopps last year.
So….
1. Love jurgen but he was never flawless and its his own damn fault he burnt himself out in the end. And in doing so he unintentionally derailed a quad.
2. Its fucking shit for sure but its actually not as shit as the wost under klopp and we swiftly recovered from that. And so i need everyone to calm the fuck down
3. The apparent uncomfortable truth is that slot did win a league. Call it jurgens squad but again see above. Call it luck… but there arent a lot of those around. And so maybe we need to let the entire thing play out.
I personally am over this season. Slot has had a horrible year. Grade it a C-. It goes to a D or worse depending on what we do in the cups.
But… if we were able to win the fa cup and CL…. it becomes better than every single one of the worst seasons we had under klopp.
Even if all we manage is an fa cup win it bests Jurgens worst seasons.
ETA – you can downvote me but youve literally wiped away the 22/23 season from your mind. 2 years later we won the league. The only thing jurgen did after that was win a league cup….
Itchy_Ad_7653 on
He should have been sacked in December. It’s well overdue, and a few decent performances in between absolute gash is just papering over the massive cracks. He’s tactically out of his depth and clearly has no idea how to fully utilise a squad of players, outside of his favourites.
Britz10 on
If there is a reason why people should be questioning Richard Hughes in his role, it’s the inaction on the Arne Slot front, he should’ve been sacked ages ago.
Payney95 on
He should have been sacked after PSV
DaqCity on
I get the sentiment, but if 3 points out of third place, last 16 UCL and FA cup (and still going) is a “Nightmare” season, then y’all need scarier dreams….
5amiii on
He should’ve got sacked months ago, but at this stage of the season I would give him until we get knocked out of the CL. And if we win it then you can’t sack him.
joc0serious on
9 league games left. What’s the point? Should’ve done it in January if they were going to. Even then no guarantee that a caretaker does better.
I expect/hope he’s gone in the summer. If we miss out on CL, Hughes should go to.
goofygoober2 on
If Edwards didn’t do it in November he’s not gonna do it with 9 games left
dantesinfernoracket1 on
This is all well and good, but the reality is Hughes and Edwards would have sacked Slot ages ago if they wanted to. A lot of things went wrong, most tragically the loss of Diogo, but this was compounded by:
– Selling the one winger that provided actual width
– The complete fall off from Salah and Gakpo
– Bedding in four new players
– Konate’s fall off
– Midfield dropping off
– Isak’s long-term injury
And yes, Slot’s passive tactics have been a major reason for the decline. But when you think about it, the board have to take a huge amount of blame for the self-destruction this season.
has
I think they’ll do their best to grind results and gamble that he gets into the Top 5. It’s a gigantic risk.
Zorofan84 on
Should have been sacked as soon as the final whistle went against PSV back in November. All the board have done is delay what should have been done ages ago.
muthateresa on
How many of you remember life before Klopp?
scottqwert on
Were not sacking him with 9 games to go. Shouldve been after PSV. honestly, not even convinced he goes if we miss out on cl.
TheLimeyLemmon on
It’s just goal.com, but it’s the first time I’m seeing a story come out where the writer actually says we should sack Slot, and not just a soft “tough questions to ask for the club” rhetoric we’ve heard for months.
Passey92 on
I’m not normally one to call for a sacking; but I can’t see it improving really.
Our performances for the most part have been pretty similar throughout the season. Early on we were getting lucky, then we got unlucky, then we sort of got the results we deserved which was mostly draws.
He won’t attack in the first half fully, despite the fact we can’t do a full 90; and sticking all your attackers on chasing a goal isn’t good tactics, it’s necessity. Lo and behold we then concede because we’re too top heavy.
Slot is a perfectly good manager, and he won us a league which I’ll forever look fondly on him for. I just don’t think he’s elite. He would be great at the next tier down: an Atletico Madrid, an Aston Villa, a Leipzig.
derpferd on
I’m inclined to agree. He won the league in his first season (which whichever you cut it, is bloody impressive). But since then, his style has been one that does not fit the league, particularly this season. It seems far too sedate and nowhere near aggressive enough.
We’re giving teams room to play instead of taking the game by the scruff of the neck, and when we do take the game by the scruff of the neck, it’s because it’s clear the game has been lost so we’d better do something.
But by then it’s too late.
PattyIceNY on
I wasn’t until the data revealed itself. The same types of losses keep happening, and that’s a coach fault.
loveandmonsters on
Oh the season is over and it was unsalvaged? I must have been in a coma.
strrax-ish on
Imagine going through the same for an extra year and then we lose a very talented squad
ExtinctLikeNdiaye on
And replace him with who exactly?
He’s struggled this season but I’m not seeing some perfect manager waiting in the wings.
Also, the idea of firing him one season after he won us the Premier League is absurd.
RudeDay5846 on
We needed to in January. We didn’t. So now he stays until summer and this season is screwed
KarlSashaMarshall on
Shouldn’t be sacked. No-one would be doing any better in the league as it currently is with the squad he has available.
You’re all way too myopic on this. Not one single team is playing well consistently, not one. And yet you all think this is Slot-specific because you can’t see past your own little problematic bubble?
This season has been defined by low quality, combative, muddy, physical, attritional football. Every team is shit to watch. The only reason Arsenal are top is because they have a squad built to play unsophisticated duel-heavy football. The only reason City are anywhere near them is that they spent £370m (!) in January.
Chelsea and United are doing no better than us (were 3 points and +2GD from 3rd you fuckers), Villa’s form has collapsed, all the teams previously defined by “philosophical, artistic, possession football” – us, Chelsea, City, Brighton – have underperformed and all the teams over performing are doing so because the ugly, untechnical, physical side of the game favours them – Arsenal, Everton, Sunderland, Brentford.
Also, I mean, what manager could be doing better with a squad that has not one single top, pacey, unpredictable, exciting winger, not one single commanding midfielder and only 2 top centre backs (one who is 33 and the other who is susceptible to a weekly brain fart).
Therefore what’s more likely to have made us worse
(1) the combination of shit recruitment (yes, awful recruitment and it was obviously awful at the time despite many of you thinking we were going to win the league because of how much money we spent) , devolving styles of play across the league that has unilaterally made all of the possession teams worse, and the (somewhat predictable) but uninsured form collapses of Gakpo and Salah, or
(2) A manager who is so obviously a good manager has suddenly and inexplicably become rubbish?
Obviously it’s 1. And therefore he should obviously stay until we’ve had a summer where the club finally address the problem positions (RW, LW, CDM, CB) that have been obvious since last April and yet have inexplicably gone unaddressed. If we don’t look like title challengers come October after those additions and after everyone has had a chance to consider whether to join the haramball style or found a way to counter it, then we can have the Slot discussion.
Until then wake up, shut up and support
AngryScotty22 on
Hes definitely not getting sacked now, too late for that now. It will happen in the summer, if that’s what they decide
They will need to make a choice anyway as he enters the final year of his contract. A decision will be made then.
Correct-Willingness2 on
Yes. We are BORING.
TroubledMagnet on
It absolutely would not surprise me one little bit, if Edwards / Hughes refuse to sack him now because it’ll cost an extra £500k or something
Nickel and dime on players, so too managers
thebigblueskyy on
Who is coming in though? Is Klopp bored and refreshed?
jplb96 on
Those who want Slot to remain as Liverpool manager are those who like to pretend that there is something virtuous in refusing a lifeboat because you’d prefer to go down with the ship as the sole casualty.
TheOtherGlikbach on
This season in the Premier League feels like Arsenal and City are just waiting for Liverpool to fire up and win the league.
Arsenal play like 2nd place is fine and City are not the steamrollers of a couple of years ago.
This should have been #21.
NeilDeCrash on
The players played well when there was still a lingering Klopp mentality in the team, but as Slots fingerpirint and style of play gets imprinted more and more to the team the worse and boring we play.
The next manager will take time to untrain this shitshow out of the players and get them to play in a manner that works.
Agentluke99 on
I know a Spaniard
IlIIIllIIlIlllII on
Were so boring and we look so clueless
Delta8435 on
If wolves knock us out of the FA cup he needs to be sacked , I don’t care what anyone says
TCHProductions on
If we dont make UCL he is off anyway I imagine. The league itself hasnt been strong enough to use transition excuses.
Think its better to give a new manager a fresh rpeseason start than coming in late for a cameo, especially a world cup year.
And there is no guarantee sacking Slot now makes us more likely to finish in the top 5.
ZookeepergameOk2759 on
I think if he loses Fridays game he’s gone.
TheVGSDonkey on
Finally someone says it. It should have been done in December
waisonline99 on
And turn us into Chelsea?
No thanks.
A crappy game without Wirtz and everyone loses their minds.
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But he’s manager of the month! /s
A month or two ago, I was thinking we should wait until the end of the season. Now? I don’t know anymore… The more I heard him giving excuses, the more I thought about ten Hag.
‘Need to’ and ‘will’, are unfortunately two very different things, and one does not necessarily lead to another
Yep.
This team is unrecognizable.
Ive been thinking about slots job recently. And comparing it to the 2 times jurgen made us suffer through shit.
Now i think 1 of those has context of injury armageddon. And so its hard to compare.
But the 22/23 season was actually hell. And it has a lot of similar tropes.
Now there is no accounting for the loss of diogo or comparing it. So we have to look at it in a vacuum. I think thats largely more unfair to slot than anyone.
But….
That summer you sold your talismanic LW because you didnt think he was worth a pay bump.
You sold a striker that maybe never fully delivered on the promise but did score big goals in big moments to earn a level of cult hero status. But also has experience winning things. You replace him with a very expensive and exciting striker.
You sold a Midfielder that wasnt really getting enough play time but always put a shit in when called upon. He also had versatility across multiple positions. And again had experience winning things.
But you end up winning only half of your league games. End up 5th. Which is the highest you reach in the table all season.
You get thumped 4-1 away at napoli to open the CL group which means you finish second and draw madrid and get thumped at home 5-2 after leading 2-0 in 15 minutes.
Go out the fa cup 4th round at brighton to gomez twerkgate late winner. Out the leage cup at city in the 4th round.
Its a fucking shit show that you only remember for the outrageous one offs the team had. 7-0. 9-0 bournemouth. Salahs late winner off alisson at home to city.
But in there….
– draw freshly promoted fulham (after having beat city 3-1)
– Draw home to palace
– drew brighton at home 3-3 after clawing back 2-0 down inside 20 and going up 3-2.
– lose away to forrest (freshly promoted)
– lose at home to leeds (end up relegated)
– lose 3-0 at wolves
– lose away to freshly promoted bournemouth
Now the reason i stir all this up is….
Ive been seeing a lot of people posting videos or stats from peak jurgen liverpool. And in a manner of like “we are so far away from this”. Like were miles off getting back there. And also as if jurgen didn’t make us go through some absolute shit where….
We all asked for tactical changes. Wondered why certain players didnt get more of a look in. Whether the system had been found out.
Questioned whether we shouldve kept mane. Was upgrading from divock to nunez worth it? Minamino couldve been useful.
Had players doing fucking outrageous levels of wtf was that.
Jurgen survived it because he has the sort of once in a lifetime sort of good will you get at a club. He is a shankley/ferguson “built the club into greatness from the mud” character.
It is impossible for slot to have even a 10th of this goodwill. However…. he won a league with a team that jurgen himself had pooing all over itself at the crucial moment of his last season….
2 losses to united and a swift butt kicking by atalanta derailed a quad shout with the utmost speed. The fa cup in particular being at the hands of the tactical idea of go for it no matter what (we got countered off a last minute corner where we shouldve been the only team allowed to create a chance with the time left). And id argue that was hyper accelerated by the emotional reaction of knowing it was klopps last year.
So….
1. Love jurgen but he was never flawless and its his own damn fault he burnt himself out in the end. And in doing so he unintentionally derailed a quad.
2. Its fucking shit for sure but its actually not as shit as the wost under klopp and we swiftly recovered from that. And so i need everyone to calm the fuck down
3. The apparent uncomfortable truth is that slot did win a league. Call it jurgens squad but again see above. Call it luck… but there arent a lot of those around. And so maybe we need to let the entire thing play out.
I personally am over this season. Slot has had a horrible year. Grade it a C-. It goes to a D or worse depending on what we do in the cups.
But… if we were able to win the fa cup and CL…. it becomes better than every single one of the worst seasons we had under klopp.
Even if all we manage is an fa cup win it bests Jurgens worst seasons.
ETA – you can downvote me but youve literally wiped away the 22/23 season from your mind. 2 years later we won the league. The only thing jurgen did after that was win a league cup….
He should have been sacked in December. It’s well overdue, and a few decent performances in between absolute gash is just papering over the massive cracks. He’s tactically out of his depth and clearly has no idea how to fully utilise a squad of players, outside of his favourites.
If there is a reason why people should be questioning Richard Hughes in his role, it’s the inaction on the Arne Slot front, he should’ve been sacked ages ago.
He should have been sacked after PSV
I get the sentiment, but if 3 points out of third place, last 16 UCL and FA cup (and still going) is a “Nightmare” season, then y’all need scarier dreams….
He should’ve got sacked months ago, but at this stage of the season I would give him until we get knocked out of the CL. And if we win it then you can’t sack him.
9 league games left. What’s the point? Should’ve done it in January if they were going to. Even then no guarantee that a caretaker does better.
I expect/hope he’s gone in the summer. If we miss out on CL, Hughes should go to.
If Edwards didn’t do it in November he’s not gonna do it with 9 games left
This is all well and good, but the reality is Hughes and Edwards would have sacked Slot ages ago if they wanted to. A lot of things went wrong, most tragically the loss of Diogo, but this was compounded by:
– Selling the one winger that provided actual width
– The complete fall off from Salah and Gakpo
– Bedding in four new players
– Konate’s fall off
– Midfield dropping off
– Isak’s long-term injury
And yes, Slot’s passive tactics have been a major reason for the decline. But when you think about it, the board have to take a huge amount of blame for the self-destruction this season.
has
I think they’ll do their best to grind results and gamble that he gets into the Top 5. It’s a gigantic risk.
Should have been sacked as soon as the final whistle went against PSV back in November. All the board have done is delay what should have been done ages ago.
How many of you remember life before Klopp?
Were not sacking him with 9 games to go. Shouldve been after PSV. honestly, not even convinced he goes if we miss out on cl.
It’s just goal.com, but it’s the first time I’m seeing a story come out where the writer actually says we should sack Slot, and not just a soft “tough questions to ask for the club” rhetoric we’ve heard for months.
I’m not normally one to call for a sacking; but I can’t see it improving really.
Our performances for the most part have been pretty similar throughout the season. Early on we were getting lucky, then we got unlucky, then we sort of got the results we deserved which was mostly draws.
He won’t attack in the first half fully, despite the fact we can’t do a full 90; and sticking all your attackers on chasing a goal isn’t good tactics, it’s necessity. Lo and behold we then concede because we’re too top heavy.
Slot is a perfectly good manager, and he won us a league which I’ll forever look fondly on him for. I just don’t think he’s elite. He would be great at the next tier down: an Atletico Madrid, an Aston Villa, a Leipzig.
I’m inclined to agree. He won the league in his first season (which whichever you cut it, is bloody impressive). But since then, his style has been one that does not fit the league, particularly this season. It seems far too sedate and nowhere near aggressive enough.
We’re giving teams room to play instead of taking the game by the scruff of the neck, and when we do take the game by the scruff of the neck, it’s because it’s clear the game has been lost so we’d better do something.
But by then it’s too late.
I wasn’t until the data revealed itself. The same types of losses keep happening, and that’s a coach fault.
Oh the season is over and it was unsalvaged? I must have been in a coma.
Imagine going through the same for an extra year and then we lose a very talented squad
And replace him with who exactly?
He’s struggled this season but I’m not seeing some perfect manager waiting in the wings.
Also, the idea of firing him one season after he won us the Premier League is absurd.
We needed to in January. We didn’t. So now he stays until summer and this season is screwed
Shouldn’t be sacked. No-one would be doing any better in the league as it currently is with the squad he has available.
You’re all way too myopic on this. Not one single team is playing well consistently, not one. And yet you all think this is Slot-specific because you can’t see past your own little problematic bubble?
This season has been defined by low quality, combative, muddy, physical, attritional football. Every team is shit to watch. The only reason Arsenal are top is because they have a squad built to play unsophisticated duel-heavy football. The only reason City are anywhere near them is that they spent £370m (!) in January.
Chelsea and United are doing no better than us (were 3 points and +2GD from 3rd you fuckers), Villa’s form has collapsed, all the teams previously defined by “philosophical, artistic, possession football” – us, Chelsea, City, Brighton – have underperformed and all the teams over performing are doing so because the ugly, untechnical, physical side of the game favours them – Arsenal, Everton, Sunderland, Brentford.
Also, I mean, what manager could be doing better with a squad that has not one single top, pacey, unpredictable, exciting winger, not one single commanding midfielder and only 2 top centre backs (one who is 33 and the other who is susceptible to a weekly brain fart).
Therefore what’s more likely to have made us worse
(1) the combination of shit recruitment (yes, awful recruitment and it was obviously awful at the time despite many of you thinking we were going to win the league because of how much money we spent) , devolving styles of play across the league that has unilaterally made all of the possession teams worse, and the (somewhat predictable) but uninsured form collapses of Gakpo and Salah, or
(2) A manager who is so obviously a good manager has suddenly and inexplicably become rubbish?
Obviously it’s 1. And therefore he should obviously stay until we’ve had a summer where the club finally address the problem positions (RW, LW, CDM, CB) that have been obvious since last April and yet have inexplicably gone unaddressed. If we don’t look like title challengers come October after those additions and after everyone has had a chance to consider whether to join the haramball style or found a way to counter it, then we can have the Slot discussion.
Until then wake up, shut up and support
Hes definitely not getting sacked now, too late for that now. It will happen in the summer, if that’s what they decide
They will need to make a choice anyway as he enters the final year of his contract. A decision will be made then.
Yes. We are BORING.
It absolutely would not surprise me one little bit, if Edwards / Hughes refuse to sack him now because it’ll cost an extra £500k or something
Nickel and dime on players, so too managers
Who is coming in though? Is Klopp bored and refreshed?
Those who want Slot to remain as Liverpool manager are those who like to pretend that there is something virtuous in refusing a lifeboat because you’d prefer to go down with the ship as the sole casualty.
This season in the Premier League feels like Arsenal and City are just waiting for Liverpool to fire up and win the league.
Arsenal play like 2nd place is fine and City are not the steamrollers of a couple of years ago.
This should have been #21.
The players played well when there was still a lingering Klopp mentality in the team, but as Slots fingerpirint and style of play gets imprinted more and more to the team the worse and boring we play.
The next manager will take time to untrain this shitshow out of the players and get them to play in a manner that works.
I know a Spaniard
Were so boring and we look so clueless
If wolves knock us out of the FA cup he needs to be sacked , I don’t care what anyone says
If we dont make UCL he is off anyway I imagine. The league itself hasnt been strong enough to use transition excuses.
Think its better to give a new manager a fresh rpeseason start than coming in late for a cameo, especially a world cup year.
And there is no guarantee sacking Slot now makes us more likely to finish in the top 5.
I think if he loses Fridays game he’s gone.
Finally someone says it. It should have been done in December
And turn us into Chelsea?
No thanks.
A crappy game without Wirtz and everyone loses their minds.